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Understanding Islam And Its Radicals
ConservativeTruth.org ^ | November 11, 2001 | Ana Barrett

Posted on 03/27/2003 8:26:19 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez

I was completely numb as I watched the videos of the attack on September 11. As the attack was investigated and we learned that the perpetrators were Islamic terrorists, I could not shake the thought that something in their religion made these attacks seem legitimate in their eyes.

So I started, very cautiously, to look into what Islam stands for and what it considers important. I did not want to jump to conclusions. I wanted to know the truth. As a Christian and a serious student of the Bible, I am familiar with the bloody passages of the Old Testament. For this reason I proceeded with caution in my research. My goal was to discover the truth about Islam. My research did include some limited reading of the Qur'an (known in the West as the Koran), but it mainly consisted of reading and listening to people who were very knowledgeable of the religion.

First of all, in order to understand Muslims we need to know what they think of Allah, and we need to look at their worldview. We need to understand moderate Muslims, but we also need an understanding of the radical point of view.

Dr. Samuel Schlorff, an expert on Islam with Arab World Ministries, has written an excellent paper on the religion. He makes a scholarly comparison between Christianity and Islam. Much of the information used in this article regarding the history of Islam was drawn from this paper.

Here are some key points of Islamic theology:

1. Allah is Absolutely Transcendent
Allah is unlike anything that exists. This means that Allah is completely mysterious. Muslims believe that they can know the truth about him, but they can't have any knowledge of him as a person. He is a distant god who lets only his will be known.

2. Divine Guidance
Muslims believe the Qur'an offers guidance for living life and it is usually referred to as "a guidance and mercy for believers." (Sura 27:77) Their law (the Shari'ah) consists of the Qur'an as well as other materials.

3. Islam is from Heaven
The Qur'an describes its revelation as a "sending down" of material from a heavenly being. Because it came in the Arabic language, it is referred to as a heavenly language. From this idea stems the thought that an Islamic community is of heavenly origin. Dr. Nabil Jabur was interviewed recently on Moody radio. He is the author of the book The Rumbling Volcano, which deals with radical Islam. He states that the Qur'an is comprised of recitations given by Muhammad, which Muslims believe came from Allah for specific situations. Thus, when Muhammad was experiencing a tranquil period in his life, the tolerant recitations came forth. When he was having problems with three Jewish tribes, the militant recitations came forth. The Qur'an teaches both peace and war.
Some verses dealing with tolerance are:
Sura 2:5-6 - There is no compulsion in religion.
Sura 5:82 - The nearest in affection to the believer are those who say we are Christian.
Dr. Jabur stated. "When only one side of the Qur'an is presented alone, that is not the truth."

4. A Community in Submission
The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law. Muhammad was the head of state of Medina, which Muslims believe was a perfect society. This form of Islamic government is considered by Muslims to be an example of living in true submission to divine law. This degree of submission is greater than any that exists outside of Islam. For Muslims such a community represents the kingdom of Allah on earth. They believe the future of Islam is to dominate the whole House of War (which is how they refer to the entire non-Muslim world) until it is controlled by an Islamic state. The ultimate goal is that the entire world be under Islamic law.

What does the word Islam mean? We have been told, that Islam is related to the Arabic word meaning "peace." This is partially accurate, except that the word means a specific kind of peace. A more accurate translation is "surrender" or "submission." It describes the calm that exists when a vanquished soldier lays down his arms in submission. Dr. Schlorff states, "The truth is that there is another side to Islam, a side that embraces violence 'in the way of Allah.'"

Sura 2:216 - Fighting is prescribed for you.
Sura 2:190-192 - Fight in the cause of god, those who fight you enslave them. Fight them until there is no more persecution and oppression and there prevails justice and faith in god.
Sura 9:5 - Fight and enslave infidels.

During his interview Dr. Jabur was asked what the typical Muslim would think of Osama bin Laden. Would they approve or disapprove of what he is doing? He stated that it would be possible for religious Muslims to have either opinion. Some are embarrassed by what bin Laden is doing. Others think that grievances which have existed for years have come to a head in a justified violent retaliation.

Dr. Jabur tried to illuminate the meaning of a phrase which is used by Muslims and which has not been explained to us. Jihad does not mean holy war. Jihad means "striving for god." It comes in three degrees: 1) Striving against sin in one's own life; 2) The act of motivating others to do good; and 3) Using violent means to stop a wrong act is justifiable if necessary. This third degree is the one with which we are most familiar.

After Muhammad died in Medina he was succeeded by four caliphs who ruled in his place. (A caliph is "one who comes after.") The leadership of Muhammad's Islamic society was divided. Sunnis accept that all four were legitimate. Shi'ites believe that only one, Ali, was the rightful successor. The result has been a division within the Muslim world pertaining to Islamic law and spiritual authority. That is why we do not have a single Muslim leader to whom the world can appeal to stand up and lead the Muslims of the world away from bin Laden.

Shortly after the Attack, Chuck Colson brought up some very interesting points on his radio show, Breakpoint. He stated that due to the lack of widely recognized Islamic leadership, bin Laden is attempting to unify the radical Muslims living in moderate Muslim states. He would like nothing more than to have them overthrow those states so that he can unify them and install himself as the leader of one large radical Islamic nation, and wage war against the West. As evidence of this, he pointed out that bin Laden has not shown much interest in the Palestinians in the past. Now he is speaking out in their behalf in order to gain their support.

Of course most Muslims do not support such violence as terrorism. However watching a Muslim country being bombed day after day might change the minds of even the most moderate and cause them to support bin Laden. Perhaps that is the plan: Goad Muslims into hating the West so much that anything goes. The Qur'an supports both violence and peace. They may think that they can use violence now and then have peace on their own terms later


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; islamofascists; radicalislam
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To: TLBSHOW

TLB, WW2 has nothing to do with it.

Peaceful American Muslims are prtected by the Constitution. If they aren't hurting anyone then they are fully within their right's to worship whomever they choose.

What you offer as an answer is nothing more than religious oppression, on a massive scale. You want to validate Osama's message and oppress the very people we are supposed to be converting.. in the midst of the freeest nation in the world.

I do not see how your plan would help matters at all. It's based on a paranoid conspiracy theory that could just as easily be leveled at Jews or Christians tomorrow as it can at Peaceful American Muslims today.

I see no benefit to what you suggest and I actually see the potential for allot of harm.

Feelings like you posted are exactly the kind of things people like Osama exploit for crying out loud. You suggest "saving us" by becoming a slightly milder version of Osama himself.

121 posted on 03/27/2003 5:45:33 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Howlin

Beginning to think? What the ^%^^#$!

(/Bubble)

122 posted on 03/27/2003 5:47:15 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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123 posted on 03/27/2003 5:47:52 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: justshe
In addition to this, it would validate every single word Osama ever uttered about this being a "War against Islam"

There's no need to give him or his words that kind of credibility.. He hasn't earned it.

124 posted on 03/27/2003 5:48:59 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: Jhoffa_
Peaceful American Muslims are prtected by the Constitution.

Aren't peaceful American Nazis and peaceful American Communists also protected by the Constitution? I'd rather have one of them as a neighbor ---especially if I was a Jew.

125 posted on 03/27/2003 5:49:08 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
I don't know if there is such a list--would be interesting to find out.

But it has been an accepted fact, in this country, that Islam/Muslim is a religion.

You can punish/prosecute the crimes of those who practice this religion, but you cannot prosecute the religion, based on the 1st Amendment.
126 posted on 03/27/2003 5:49:49 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: justshe
You can punish/prosecute the crimes of those who practice this religion, but you cannot prosecute the religion, based on the 1st Amendment.

I think that's probably true of everything ----good or bad. I guess the Davidian religion wasn't one of our government's recognized religions but I'm not sure what they did that was that much of a threat to anyone.

127 posted on 03/27/2003 5:51:33 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Jhoffa_
Standing ovation!!!!!
128 posted on 03/27/2003 5:54:13 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: Jhoffa_
Well, I've only been comtemplating that one for a couple of hours!
129 posted on 03/27/2003 5:54:32 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Jhoffa_
That being said, "cult" would certainly describe this particular "problem," wouldn't it, right down to claiming one has a "gift."
130 posted on 03/27/2003 5:55:53 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Just for future refrence, I am always right..

Unless I am wrong, but in that event I will notify you in advance.

so there!

131 posted on 03/27/2003 5:56:41 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: FITZ
And that, my friend, is why we have a Constitution. Even if we have seen some attempt the bastardization of that Constitution.
132 posted on 03/27/2003 5:56:57 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: justshe
But it has been an accepted fact, in this country, that Islam/Muslim is a religion.

I hope not the government though because according to the Constitution the government is NOT to establish religions. I guess individual people are free to do that or not.

133 posted on 03/27/2003 5:58:26 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Jhoffa_
***There's no need to give him or his words that kind of credibility.. He hasn't earned it.***

I think you and I are in agreement.....the time to stop it is NOW. Prosecute the crimes, not the religion.
134 posted on 03/27/2003 5:58:52 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: justshe
I think so, anything else would be counter productive.
135 posted on 03/27/2003 6:00:26 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, and this is "Freepin for Zot!")
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To: FITZ
I hope not the government though because according to the Constitution the government is NOT to establish religions. I guess individual people are free to do that or not.

I think the establishment clause refers to a state religion, as the Anglican church was the state religion of Great Britain at one time.

In any case, I think as long as Islam is considered one of the major religions in the world, we're probably obligated to recognize it as a religion, whether or not we agree with it.

136 posted on 03/27/2003 6:17:12 PM PST by Amelia (God bless our troops!)
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To: Amelia
Bingo!

Thre are many things I do NOT agree with, with MANY religions. But I do not advocate the annihilation of all those who practice that religion. Therein is the point.
137 posted on 03/27/2003 6:18:58 PM PST by justshe (FREE MIGUEL !)
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To: Amelia
I think the establishment clause refers to a state religion,

I don't think the government is supposed to establish one or a few. I think it pretty much stays out of what is and isn't a religion --most of the time. If I want to start a religion of my own, and stand out on a street corner passing out flyers, I think I pretty much have that right. You can decide if my religion is just a cult or if you accept it as a religion. Even atheism or "no-religion" is recognized and protected under the Constitution.

138 posted on 03/27/2003 6:22:49 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Amelia
What about Voodoo or Santeria? There might be quite a number of people who are followers of those.
139 posted on 03/27/2003 6:24:51 PM PST by FITZ
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To: SauronOfMordor
"There will be no peace until Islam conquers, or is itself eliminated."

Your view, while I am sure will draw you into one helluva "thing" with LG is, IMHO, the fact of life.

Pundits and apologists and the kumbayaa, "Can we all just get along crowd", on both the right and left just don't want to get it. The fact is that most of the world's religions teach their followers to spread their particular "truth". Islam carries it one step further. Convert or Kill.

There is no place in mideastern Islamic society for peaceful coexistence with non-Islamics. We certainly seem to continually want to ascribe our belief and faith structure to other societies. It could well be a fatal mistake.

140 posted on 03/27/2003 6:29:44 PM PST by ImpBill ("You are either with US or against US!")
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