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Access to U.S. jobs a must, Mexico says
AZStarnet.com ^ | May 18, 2003

Posted on 05/18/2003 8:29:28 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

Mexico is committed to reducing migrant deaths and improving security on the border, but the flow of illegal immigrants will continue so long as there is no organized and legal way to seek temporary work in the United States, Mexico's deputy foreign minister said Saturday.

Geronimo Gutierrez toured the border Friday and Saturday on behalf of Mexico's President Vicente Fox.

"Having mechanisms for migration that are legal, secure and orderly creates the security that is so much a concern to the United States," Gutierrez said.

Gutierrez also issued a warning to "coyotes," people smugglers, who, he said, bear the greatest blame for the border's annual harvest of death.

"It is high priority of President Fox to put an end to these bands of people traffickers who lie to the migrants, lead them into the desert, then abandon them," he said. "They will be pursued; they will be prosecuted."

Gutierrez spoke at a press conference here after a two-day tour of the Arizona-Sonora border. He said border consulates will redouble their campaign to warn migrants of the dangers they face.

But he repeated his government's position that it can do nothing to stop its citizens from traveling freely.

About 350 Mexican immigrants die every year trying to cross the border.

According to the U.S. Border Patrol, at least 145 people died trying to enter the United States through Arizona last year, although an Arizona Daily Star analysis of law enforcement, medical examiner, and Mexican Consulate records found more than 160 deaths.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; illegalimmigration; trafficking
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"the flow of illegal immigrants will continue so long as there is no organized and legal way to seek temporary work in the United States"

How about this: "the flow of illegal immigrants will continue stop so long as soon as there is no organized and legal easy way to seek temporary work in the United States and people stop thinking they have to reward these criminals with jobs and government giveaways."

41 posted on 05/18/2003 11:36:13 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: WRhine
Now merely protecting our borders from this invasion is considered Racist!

Ironically, the people who we are protecting our borders from their invasion are the true racists.

42 posted on 05/18/2003 11:46:13 AM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
AMEN!
43 posted on 05/18/2003 11:51:27 AM PDT by carolina_rn7
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Access to US jobs I have no problem with.

It's access to free US welfare checks and medical coverage that I object to."

I have a problem with them having access to U.S. jobs when our own unemployment rate is skyrocketing and Americans are unable to provide security for their own families. These people are usurpers and thieves in my opinion. It is simply a lie that they are only doing jobs that Americans don't want to do. Many of them have decent-paying jobs in the mainstream workforce. They have long since expanded beyond the service industries and manual labor. The big difference now is that besides having fewer available jobs to our own people, now many more Americans have to know THEIR language to be employed in the same markets, and all Americans are subjected to dealing with a growing population who cannot, or rather will not, speak English.

It is also a lie that illegals are good for our economy. The ones that aren't working for cash under the table are now demanding social security payments and what money they earn is largely being sent to family back in Mexico. How is that a benefit to our economy? It seems to me that the only contributions these criminal aliens are making is padding for the democRAT voter fraud rolls and lining for corporate pockets.

44 posted on 05/18/2003 11:55:57 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I don't have any fundamental problem with an individual who wants to work for his family.

The problem is that Mexico is so wildly corrupt and inneffective, if they can find work in mexico they stll can't feed thier families.

I'm actually a big fan of invoking manifest destiny in this case. We can call it "Operation helping hand".

Fundamentally Mexico has the potential to be a very prosperous state, its the corruption which keeps it a third world country.
45 posted on 05/18/2003 11:56:23 AM PDT by Katana16j
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To: judgeandjury
Ironically, the people who we are protecting our borders from their invasion are the true racists.

You couldn't be more right. It's OK for the Illegal Invaders to talk openly about their "Reconquista" plan to take over America's SW and forge a New Atzlan Nation--a Nation of Mexicans for Mexicans ONLY. But heaven help the Americans that express their outrage about this. Now THAT is Hate Speech.

We live in an Upside World these days. It's truly an Alice in Wonderland Experience. When will the madness end?

46 posted on 05/18/2003 12:02:27 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"CRIMINAL INVADERS are ruining the USA."

All one has to do is look at Kalifornia, Arizona, and Texas to view their future. If we don't reclaim our border areas soon our future is doomed, and we can abandon all hope of preserving American society.
47 posted on 05/18/2003 12:02:31 PM PDT by Duramaximus ( American Born, Gun_Toting , Aerospace Worker Living In A State That Worships Socialism)
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To: FITZ
Sorry, I guess I misread your post.

And you may be right pushing for their oil to defray costs. Mexico will then report us to the UN human rights commission if we are not oblidging their every command.

I have to agree with some of the other posters, that American citizens are nothing but cattle and can be herded around at the whim of Washington. I have lost all respect for Washington.





48 posted on 05/18/2003 12:03:01 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: Regulator
We were visiting friends that lived near the Arizona/Mexico border a few years back and were planning to to spend some time in Nogales. The advice that I was given about the Mexicans in the border towns was to.."love them, respect them, even enjoy them, but never, ever trust them."
49 posted on 05/18/2003 12:06:44 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Katana16j
"Fundamentally Mexico has the potential to be a very prosperous state, its the corruption which keeps it a third world country."

Exactly right. Bingo, bullseye. Furthermore, nothing will change until the U.S. Marines hoist the Stars and Stripes over Mexico City. Nothing else will change anything. The "elites" of Mexico all need to be arrested and executed. The police need to be rounded up, their "leaders" executed, and the rest of them get to run a gauntlet of angry Mexican citizens armed with aluminum baseball bats.

The only thing that will stop the Mexican invasion of America is for the U.S. to invade Mexico and take that whole country over. Nothing else will work.

50 posted on 05/18/2003 12:08:11 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"“We will still come (to the U.S.) to work, because we need it and that’s it,” said Santos Sanchez, 45, a native of the Mexican state of Veracruz."

All the more reason that the laws need to be most strongly enforced against the employers who are hiring them. If they find it impossible to get jobs when they get here, they will soon seek other options. And one of those options should NOT be to live off American freebees. They should have access to absolutely NO benefits from entering the country illegally, with the exception of critical emergency care, and in that case they are presenting themselves on a silver platter so there is absolutely no reason not to immediately see them deported as soon as they are physically able to go.

51 posted on 05/18/2003 12:16:45 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Katana16j
Fundamentally Mexico has the potential to be a very prosperous state, its the corruption which keeps it a third world country.

I doubt it. Mexico having vast resources is not related to their ability to be a prosperous state. Japan has next to no resources and yet is one the largest, most prosperous countries in the world...secular recession/depression aside. Mexico's problems run deep within its culture and corruption is just one of the many symptoms of this dysfunctional culture. For Mexico to change they have to change their culture...it won't happen for decades, if ever.

52 posted on 05/18/2003 12:16:49 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: WRhine
We live in an Upside World these days. It's truly an Alice in Wonderland Experience. When will the madness end?

Yes, we live in a world where all the sympathy goes to the lawbreakers, and all the condemnation goes to those who want to stop it. As for when it will end, I'm afraid it's too late. At this point, it is political suicide for any politician to even suggest enforcing our laws, closing our borders, or deporting aliens. Yeah, there's Tancredo, but he's pretty lonely and gets a lot of flak. It takes enormous courage to be a Tancredo now. Maybe -- maybe another tragedy like 9/11 would end the madness, but at this point, I fear even that would not be enough.

Oh, sure, as it becomes less and less of a "California problem" or a "Southwest problem" or whatever, and more and more people in other states see illegals pouring in, increasing numbers of Americans will wake up. But by the time enough wake up, it will be way too late. We've waited too long! Nothing short of a miracle can help us now.

53 posted on 05/18/2003 12:26:42 PM PDT by Nea Wood ("If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people, he should resign." -- Bubba)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
The "elites" of Mexico all need to be arrested and executed. The police need to be rounded up, their "leaders" executed, and the rest of them get to run a gauntlet of angry Mexican citizens armed with aluminum baseball bats.

If we sealed the border and sent home 20 million illegals, all that would happen soon enough. There would be a revolution ---fast. Deep down the elites know this ---it happened plenty of times in Mexico's past. They'd have a Pancho Villa spring up and they'd be running the elites out of Mexico and most would head to Spain. The USA is Mexico's big steam valve --immigration keeps things from blowing up.

54 posted on 05/18/2003 12:26:49 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Yes, and it is long past time for that "safety valve" to not only stop working, but to blow up in their fat faces.
55 posted on 05/18/2003 12:29:20 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Katana16j
I'm actually a big fan of invoking manifest destiny in this case. We can call it "Operation helping hand".

Can you imagine if Mexicans were given a vote ---state by state ---if they wished their state to stay part of Mexico or join the USA?

One thing obvious ---when Texas and New Mexico joined with the USA, you never saw any separist movement by the American-hispanics wishing to break away and rejoin Mexico. All that Atzlan stuff is coming from recent immigrants.

56 posted on 05/18/2003 12:31:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: sweetliberty
All the more reason that the laws need to be most strongly enforced against the employers who are hiring them.

If they did that and cut off benefits, illegal immigration would stop. Our elected leaders know this, that's why they don't do it. Their campaign contributors wouldn't like it.

57 posted on 05/18/2003 12:43:25 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Nea Wood
Excellent Post Nea. Unfortunately I share your pessimism. I have yet to see one tangible reason to be optimistic on this front. Like you said, every elected official in the land (with the exception of Tom Tancredo and a handful of others) refuses to even bring up the subject of illegal immigration, much less the protection of our borders, lest they be tabbed as a racist. It WILL take a miracle to alter the future of a Mexicanized America. Illegal Immigration (and immigration in general) is America's Kryptonite.
58 posted on 05/18/2003 2:03:42 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: sweetliberty
You're right. The third thing I object to is illegals who don't and won't speak/learn English.

But, to tell the truth, I prefer open borders to SWAT teams and DEA agents. The borders would be self-regulating IF WE DIDN' GIVE THINGS AWAY FOR FREE, LIKE CITIZENSHIP FOR BABIES SQUEEZED OUT NORTH OF THE BORDER.

IMHO, it is the freebies that cause all the things we both object to, not the jobs.
59 posted on 05/18/2003 3:01:44 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
" it is the freebies that cause all the things we both object to, not the jobs."

I think it is a combination.

60 posted on 05/18/2003 3:07:44 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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