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Hoosier Hysteria

Posted on 07/20/2003 7:46:47 PM PDT by Arrowhead

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To: lonestar
Man, if you and I got together, we would have a hoot at some of these meetings. I yearn to find just one more like me to go and actually hold these yeh-whos accountable. I guess I am due for a trip to Texas.

BTW, I am part of an orgnaization that seeks to synergize certain, credible, constitutional orgs to move government back within it's constitutional jurisdiction. Three such members are from Texas. As a matter of fact, we started out our org by several of us from all over the states meeting at Lake Whitney. We officially began there on July 4th 1999.

I love Texas, but there is no place like home. Especially the big laugh I get when watching our elected officials trip over their own logic. Would not miss it for the world.

Stay the course Lonestar...

Arrowhead>>>------->

21 posted on 07/21/2003 5:41:12 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: lonestar
My God MAN! You hit the nail squarely on the head! That was a framing hammer strike if I ever saw one, being a third generation carpenter...among other things.

Any chance you could become a Hoosier? ;^)

22 posted on 07/21/2003 5:48:30 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: Arrowhead
the city council do not even know how much money with which they have to bargain.

I agree that there should be full disclosure on request. I bet that the council does know how much it is costing, too, they just don't want to admit it. I'm just not with the people who want to "stick it to businesses". I got my job from one, so I'm kind of partial to them sticking around.

23 posted on 07/21/2003 5:50:44 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: Arrowhead
I love Texas, but there is no place like home.

I love Texas, it is home! :)

24 posted on 07/21/2003 6:22:40 PM PDT by lonestar (Don't mess with Texans!)
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To: ReagansShinyHair
I'm just not with the people who want to "stick it to businesses". I got my job from one, so I'm kind of partial to them sticking around.

We're talking about businesses getting taxpayer money to move to a town and many times putting small businesses that have been there for decades out of business. They are the same businesses who support the local communities more than the Wal-marts, Lowes and Walgreens.

They go into communities and the dollar they take in today is sent to their home office overnight. They provide minimum wage jobs; 39 hours a week. It is very harmful to samll towns.

25 posted on 07/21/2003 6:48:42 PM PDT by lonestar (Don't mess with Texans!)
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To: Arrowhead
Last year I think Time Magazine did a big article on corporate tax breaks. I seem to recall they could not find one instance where the town did as well as predicted. In a lot of cases, to companies took the breaks and then when the economy went south the company closed the plant, etc.

Sux big time!!

26 posted on 07/21/2003 7:07:52 PM PDT by upchuck (Contribute to "Republicans for Al Sharpton for President in 2004." Dial 1-800-SLAPTHADONKEY :)
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To: ReagansShinyHair; lonestar; Drango
Well, I do not look at it as "sticking it to business." If anything, SOME businesses, mainly large corporations, are sticking it to us. You know, the citizen, the taxpayer.

Consider this: If you decided that you were going to expand onto your home a large room addition that makes the mechanics of living more suitable so you can add another child to your family, a child that will grow up and pay taxes, do you think that if you took your expansion project to the City Council and ask for a ten year abatement on the reassessed value of your home, that you would get it?

Of course, they would laugh at you. So, why are we not laughing at the corporations? What is so differnt from their expansion projects than yours? You add a room, they add a warehouse. You add furnishings to the room, they add equipment to the warehouse. You add a child to your family (who btw, grows to help around the house and ultimately finds a job or is instrumental in creating jobs) and they add an employee.

Is there any real difference other than scale? And if not, I say what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If we have to pay the full weight of reassessment by virtue of improving our residential properties with no recourse for relief, then corporations should be required to pay their share as well. Contrary to some on this forum, if the corporations get "breaks," it does fall back upon those who do not! Namely, residents!

The astute business man understands, especially in terms of economies of scale, that a loss of financial opportunity can never be regained. Such is the nature of the abatement. Once we say yes, we can never regain that loss. And that is why the abatement should be used "sparingly."

Are you old enough to remember when a soda drink was a treat instead of a general rule of consumption? Well, if you are, then you are old enough to see how the exception in using the abatement nowadays has become the general rule as well. Just as the mass doses of the consumption of sugar has created a hyperactive reduction in our health, so has the extra consumption of corporations use of abatement result in the poor health of our economy.

Arrowhead>>>----->

27 posted on 07/21/2003 7:40:15 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: upchuck
Thanks! If you ever find that article, give me a ping, will ya?

Arrowhead>>>---->
28 posted on 07/21/2003 7:43:20 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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