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Hijacker Crashed Flight 93 on 9/11
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 8/7/03 | TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 4:22:34 PM PDT by dead

WASHINGTON - U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings — laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month — aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

The FBI strenuously maintains that its analysis does not diminish the heroism of passengers who — with the words "Let's roll" — apparently rushed down the airliner's narrow aisle to try to overtake the hijackers.

President Bush and Attorney General John Ashcroft have regularly praised the courage of those aboard Flight 93, some of whom told family members by telephone they were planning to storm the cockpit.

"While no one will ever know exactly what transpired in the final minutes of Flight 93, every shred of evidence indicates this plane crashed because of the heroic actions of the passengers," FBI spokeswoman Susan Whitson said Thursday.

Thirty-three passengers, seven crew members and the four hijackers died.

Citing transcripts of the still-secret cockpit recordings, FBI Director Robert Mueller told congressional investigators in a closed briefing last year that, minutes before Flight 93 hit the ground, one of the hijackers "advised Jarrah to crash the plane and end the passengers' attempt to retake the airplane."

Jarrah is thought to have been the terrorist-pilot because he was the only of the four hijackers aboard known to have a pilot's license.

Mueller's description was disclosed in a brief passage far into the 858-page report to Congress. Previous statements by FBI and other government officials have been ambiguous about what occurred in the cockpit.

Mueller's explanation was based on the FBI's efforts to decipher the cacophonous sounds on the cockpit recorder and produce a comprehensive transcript, said one official, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

The FBI is convinced it may never know for certain what transpired in those final moments, but Mueller represented the information as the FBI's leading theory, this official said.

The same cockpit recording was played privately in April 2002 for family members of victims aboard Flight 93, and the FBI also provided them with its best effort at producing an understandable transcript.

Some family members indicated afterward they were led to believe that passengers used a food cart as a shield and successfully broke into the cockpit.

The FBI has been loath to publicly put forward a contradictory theory out of sensitivity to the families and because of uncertainty about what happened.

People who have heard the recording describe it as nearly indecipherable, containing static noises, cockpit alarms and wind interspersed with cries in English and Arabic. Near the end of the tape, sounds can be heard of breaking glass and crashing dishes — lending credence to the theory that passengers used the food cart to rush the jetliner's narrow aisle.

Separately, the data recorder showed the plane's wings rocking violently as the jet flew too low and too fast for safe flight.

Intelligence officials believe the likely target for Flight 93 was the White House, based on information from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaida terrorist leader in U.S. custody who is believed to have played a key role in organizing the Sept. 11 attacks.

Prosecutors have sought a U.S. judge's permission to play recordings from Flight 93 during the terrorism trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only defendant in a U.S. case prosecutors have directly tied to the attacks. Moussaoui is accused of conspiring with the hijackers.

The government has said it can link Moussaoui to Jarrah, using a telephone number found on a business card recovered at the Shanksville, Pa., crash site. Prosecutors believe the card belonged to Jarrah and that Moussaoui had called the same number.

Moussaoui has acknowledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida but says he was not involved in the attacks.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911report; americanheroes; blessthemall; fbi; flight93; godblessthem; heroes; jarrah; letsroll; moussaoui; robertmueller; targets; whitehouse
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To: Marianne
Actually, it was. And it got righteously ripped to shreds.
241 posted on 08/07/2003 7:13:20 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: HitmanNY
No, the story that day (and days following) was that the plane went down in the field because of the battle in the cockpit.
Good. We identified your problem. You read too much into the reportage. All that was ever reported is that the passengers rose up and the aircraft went down. What the investigation has revealed is that the two events are causally connnected: the air craft went down because the terrorists did not want to risk losing the aircraft even if it meant never making it to their target etc., etc.
242 posted on 08/07/2003 7:16:05 PM PDT by Asclepius (karma vigilante)
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To: dead
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATflight93independent.htm

Here's a recently-updated site that strongly suggests that Bush lied, the plane was shot down, the passenger revolt failed. I think we will see a full-court effort to give this story legs. The website repeats lots of the unsubstantiated stuff about the crash.

I remember an article that had an analysis of the flight data recorder- IIRC the article mentioned that the plane was in supersonic flight while decending rapidly, well before the crash. Help me out, folks, I can't find it. If so, the plane would have been shedding pieces- it is not designed for SS flight.

Shameless people who will do anything to get the White House back are exploiting the fog of data surrounding any major event.
243 posted on 08/07/2003 7:17:09 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Marianne
Ex-military are not precluded from being conspiracy theorists. Some of the biggest supporters of the John Birch Society are ex-military.

Look, if you want to believe the Bilderbergers flew four 767s into buildings, be my guest. I think the entire subject is ludicrous.

244 posted on 08/07/2003 7:17:30 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: Pukka Puck
Yes the primary plan was to cause as much damage as possible.

However, they were on a suicide mission. They were not going to come back alive. Before 9-11, nobody knew if you could commandeer multiple planes using only small knives. I think it is very plausible that they had a backup plan to blow up the planes if things went awry.

These were clever and determined people. Strap-on bombs were well within their capability. They told the passengers they had a bomb. The passengers saw the bomb.

Why does it rock your world so much for me to suggest the obvious?
245 posted on 08/07/2003 7:19:18 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Marianne
In evidence given to the enquiry, Captain Kent Hill (retd.) of the US Air Force, and friend of Chic Burlingame, the pilot of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, stated that the US had on several occasions flown an unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, across the Pacific from Edwards Air Force base in California to South Australia.

This part is true. The aircraft in question was an RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV, which is *designed* to be flown remotely.

However, one canNOT simply take over a commercial aircraft's flight controls and start driving the plane yourself. They aren't wired up for that sort of thing.

246 posted on 08/07/2003 7:20:02 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: eno_
No bomb. Not shot down. That's the fact jack.
247 posted on 08/07/2003 7:20:25 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: dead
As Neil E. Wright says,

The era of Bin Laden ended the moment the brave militia on Flight 93 reported for duty. We will never forget you.

248 posted on 08/07/2003 7:20:58 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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To: Asclepius
I don't doubt that it was a failure of reporting. Indeed, that's been my point all along.

And certainly the resistance led to the hijackers aborting their mission, whatever it was.
249 posted on 08/07/2003 7:21:51 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: HitmanNY
The Americans on that plane were effective in preventing the terrorists from hitting their target. We will never know whether or not they made it into the cockpit or not, but the fact that the succeeded in preventing the successful murder of hundreds if not thousands of additional people is the bottom line.
251 posted on 08/07/2003 7:24:37 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: American Copper Beech
"The 8-9 mile trail of 'debris', to the crash site, is quite telling."

Have a credible cite for this scenario?
252 posted on 08/07/2003 7:25:59 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: dead
I do not believe this version. The terrorists would surely have found something more destructive than an open field to crash into, surely there were targets within minutes of where the plane came down.

The passengers were heroes, saving many lives-reacting just as all passengers will react on any other hi-jacked flight in the USA from here on.

Fool us once, shame on you-fool us twice, shame on us.
253 posted on 08/07/2003 7:28:33 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (It is just plain just that we remove unjust Justices-the survival of America depends on it.)
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To: American Copper Beech
bump
254 posted on 08/07/2003 7:30:00 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: LibertarianLiz; rdb3; Lancey Howard
Thank you for your posts to me, all excellent.
255 posted on 08/07/2003 7:31:53 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: WarrenC
Sentence 2 contradicts sentence 1.

No, it doesn't.

When the article refers to "the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls," it is referring to the perception that the passengers were literally grappling with the controls--like they had the controls in their hands. It looks like they never got the chance to try to get that far because the terrorists crashed the plane first.

256 posted on 08/07/2003 7:32:31 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: ambrose
How does this info change anything? The plane crashed because the passengers "tried" to storm the cockpit. Who knows whether they got inside or not. I'm betting they did and "jerrah" crashed the plane to avoid being totally thwarted and overcome, instead of just having the hijackers mission aborted by the passengers. If this had not happened, our Capitol or White House would have been plane-bombed.

vaudine
257 posted on 08/07/2003 7:32:43 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: DBrow
"Pick a propaganda theme and never let up, just keep repeating it in different ways, and you can "get your message out". Public relations experts from Goebbels to Bernays have advised that. Know any political parties that are complaining that they can't get their message out?"

Very good points.
258 posted on 08/07/2003 7:33:11 PM PDT by Pukka Puck
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To: Silas
It explains why the wreckage was found spread about over several miles.

I suppose we REALLY did something awful to Columbia, huh? Does your knowledge of the physics of crash and accident scenes enlighten you about that?

My husband did crash and accident photography for the Air Force. Even when a smaller plane augers straight in, the bits and pieces bounce and scatter pretty widely. On the other hand, all aircraft are subject to balance problems, and if you have a bunch of people suddenly run to the front of the airplane, you're going to throw it out of balance, and an inexperience pilot may not be able to recover--if he cared to...they weren't too worried about safe landings, you know.

I don't believe the Clinton-Afflicted Air Force had its ducks in a row nor adequate warning to be shooting anything down that day...not over the mainland of the U.S. of A.
259 posted on 08/07/2003 7:33:45 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Oklahoma City--Where 56% of HS Seniors Get No Diploma, And No One Knows Why Not.)
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To: HitmanNY
And that's the message - the heroes never made it to the cockpit, never battled the hijackers for control. It never happened. Anyone who still belives it has problems.

Let's see, the passengers stated that they were going to try and take the cockpit and had hot water and beverage tray. The cockpit recordings show a disturbance shortly after with crashing sounds, shouts, and breaking dishes. During this disturbance the terrorists are heard talking about ending it and running the plane into the ground. The plane runs into the ground.

You seem to be making the completely illogical inference that if the passengers did not actually seize the controls (and presumably make a phone call proving it) then they therefore CANNOT be responsible for bringing the plane down and saving the White House.

The passengers did NOT reach the controls. Nevertheless they are indeed responsible for that plane coming down where it did instead of at the White House by making the attempt. It is likely that they were not able to get to the control BECAUSE the terrorists crashed the plane to prevent them.

Not sure why you have the need to play with words to separate the actions of the passengers from the results of the flight.
260 posted on 08/07/2003 7:37:38 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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