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Hijacker Crashed Flight 93 on 9/11
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 8/7/03 | TED BRIDIS, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 08/07/2003 4:22:34 PM PDT by dead

WASHINGTON - U.S. investigators now believe that a hijacker in the cockpit aboard United Airlines Flight 93 instructed terrorist-pilot Ziad Jarrah to crash the jetliner into a Pennsylvania field because of a passenger uprising in the cabin.

This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

The government's findings — laid out deep within the report on the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that was sent to Congress last month — aim to resolve one of the enduring mysteries of the deadliest terror attacks in U.S. history: What happened in the final minutes aboard Flight 93?

The FBI strenuously maintains that its analysis does not diminish the heroism of passengers who — with the words "Let's roll" — apparently rushed down the airliner's narrow aisle to try to overtake the hijackers.

President Bush and Attorney General John Ashcroft have regularly praised the courage of those aboard Flight 93, some of whom told family members by telephone they were planning to storm the cockpit.

"While no one will ever know exactly what transpired in the final minutes of Flight 93, every shred of evidence indicates this plane crashed because of the heroic actions of the passengers," FBI spokeswoman Susan Whitson said Thursday.

Thirty-three passengers, seven crew members and the four hijackers died.

Citing transcripts of the still-secret cockpit recordings, FBI Director Robert Mueller told congressional investigators in a closed briefing last year that, minutes before Flight 93 hit the ground, one of the hijackers "advised Jarrah to crash the plane and end the passengers' attempt to retake the airplane."

Jarrah is thought to have been the terrorist-pilot because he was the only of the four hijackers aboard known to have a pilot's license.

Mueller's description was disclosed in a brief passage far into the 858-page report to Congress. Previous statements by FBI and other government officials have been ambiguous about what occurred in the cockpit.

Mueller's explanation was based on the FBI's efforts to decipher the cacophonous sounds on the cockpit recorder and produce a comprehensive transcript, said one official, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

The FBI is convinced it may never know for certain what transpired in those final moments, but Mueller represented the information as the FBI's leading theory, this official said.

The same cockpit recording was played privately in April 2002 for family members of victims aboard Flight 93, and the FBI also provided them with its best effort at producing an understandable transcript.

Some family members indicated afterward they were led to believe that passengers used a food cart as a shield and successfully broke into the cockpit.

The FBI has been loath to publicly put forward a contradictory theory out of sensitivity to the families and because of uncertainty about what happened.

People who have heard the recording describe it as nearly indecipherable, containing static noises, cockpit alarms and wind interspersed with cries in English and Arabic. Near the end of the tape, sounds can be heard of breaking glass and crashing dishes — lending credence to the theory that passengers used the food cart to rush the jetliner's narrow aisle.

Separately, the data recorder showed the plane's wings rocking violently as the jet flew too low and too fast for safe flight.

Intelligence officials believe the likely target for Flight 93 was the White House, based on information from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaida terrorist leader in U.S. custody who is believed to have played a key role in organizing the Sept. 11 attacks.

Prosecutors have sought a U.S. judge's permission to play recordings from Flight 93 during the terrorism trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the only defendant in a U.S. case prosecutors have directly tied to the attacks. Moussaoui is accused of conspiring with the hijackers.

The government has said it can link Moussaoui to Jarrah, using a telephone number found on a business card recovered at the Shanksville, Pa., crash site. Prosecutors believe the card belonged to Jarrah and that Moussaoui had called the same number.

Moussaoui has acknowledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida but says he was not involved in the attacks.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911; 911report; americanheroes; blessthemall; fbi; flight93; godblessthem; heroes; jarrah; letsroll; moussaoui; robertmueller; targets; whitehouse
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To: Silas
Do your homework before you even think about posting here again.

Take your own advice.

161 posted on 08/07/2003 6:23:45 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: eno_
Got anything that refutes that?

Got anything that confirms it? That's the ONLY account like that I've ever read. The burden of proof is on you to back this up with more than one story, with "eyewitness accounts" that are notoriously unreliable.

162 posted on 08/07/2003 6:24:20 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: cyncooper
LIke I said: It had to be a bomb or a shoot down. I can't prove which.

There are no other way to explain the debris several miles from the crash site.
163 posted on 08/07/2003 6:24:21 PM PDT by eno_
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To: LasVegasMac
What are your thoughts on the Apollo space program?

Funny you should mention Apollo. According to a French book I read, the "passenger" calls were sent out from the actual recording studio used to fake the moon landings. You know, the one in Area 51.

In fact, 9/11 was a joint US-Israeli conspiracy. Dubya, having been in the WH and seeing all the lovely interns around for months, was tired of Laura and wanted her out of the way (Bush was in Sarasota, Laura in the WH - coincidence? I think not!). Cheney wanted to reward his buddies in the oil business for getting him "selected" as Vice President. As for the Israelis, well, they're Jews and the Jooos are responsible for everything bad that happens in the world.

If you don't believe me, take a look at democraticunderground.com. They have all the documentation you need.

164 posted on 08/07/2003 6:24:28 PM PDT by mikegi
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To: hattend
Screw the report, the passengers are still heroes.

I read nothing in the report to contradict their heroism. The highjackers were denied their goal by the actions of the passengers. They are hero's in my mind, regardless of whether they entered the cockpit.

165 posted on 08/07/2003 6:25:31 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: sinkspur
Google returns 291 results. I picked one that was from a major local paper.

People hallucinated FBI men hauling away human remains?
166 posted on 08/07/2003 6:25:43 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Alberta's Child
Freeper Chris From NJ, who lost his father in that flight, says otherwise, after listening to the tapes.How do you explain the fighting and the screaming from cockpit voice tapes?
167 posted on 08/07/2003 6:25:59 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: eno_; sinkspur
Google returns 291 results. I picked one that was from a major local paper

Did you make sure that the byline didn't read "Jayson Blair?" :o)

168 posted on 08/07/2003 6:26:35 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: eno_
There are no other way to explain the debris several miles from the crash site.

There was no debris miles from the site. None. No matter how many times you repeat it, it is something that is the matter of conspiracy theories, and nothing else.

169 posted on 08/07/2003 6:26:53 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: dead
Apparently this article was never posted to FR:
SEPTEMBER 11 - US GOVERNMENT ACCUSED
Frontpage Online (Portugal)
March 8, 2002 LINK
A Portugal-based investigative journalist has presented THE NEWS with version of the September 11th attacks that has to date failed to attract the attention of the international press. The report, compiled by an independent inquiry into the September 11th, World Trade Centre attack, warns the American public that the government’s official version of events does not stand up to scrutiny.
A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.
(click on link for rest of article)
170 posted on 08/07/2003 6:27:07 PM PDT by Marianne
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To: calvin sun
Mr. Bridis may be guilty of the logical fallacy of the "false dichotomy," otherwise known as the "fallacy of the excluded middle." He is assuming that two possibilities are mutually exclusive, ie that they cannot both be true at the same time. In this case, he seems to be saying that
- because (apparently) one of the HIJACKERS crashed the plane
- therefore the passenger uprising must either have been a failure

However, as others have pointed out, BOTH possibilties could be true. Otherwise, we have had to believe that the hijackers INTENDED to crash the plane in an empty field.
171 posted on 08/07/2003 6:27:37 PM PDT by calvin sun ("Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL")
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To: freedumb2003; sarasmom
Amen and Amen
172 posted on 08/07/2003 6:28:34 PM PDT by xp38
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To: dead
This doesn't change anything really. The passengers rushing them still caused the plane to be crashed. That is what I always thought happened in the first place.
173 posted on 08/07/2003 6:29:52 PM PDT by ladyinred (The left have blood on their hands.)
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To: Lancey Howard
I agree. Witness the post (#138) which follows yours.

WOW, good example!

BTW I'm impressed that a yankee, Marine is so literate! ;-)

174 posted on 08/07/2003 6:29:55 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: eno_
Google returns 291 results. I picked one that was from a major local paper.

Results on what search criteria? There's plenty of conspiracy foolishness, all over the place.

People hallucinated FBI men hauling away human remains?

How do they know what was being hauled away, and that these were FBI? Or, that anything was being hauled away at all?

You have a theory, and you're going to shoehorn facts to fit that theory.

175 posted on 08/07/2003 6:29:55 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: dead
This theory, based on the government's analysis of cockpit recordings, discounts the popular perception of insurgent passengers grappling with terrorists to seize the plane's controls.

I fail to see ANY difference. Is it just some academic point of exactly how much they penetrated into the cockpit? Big deal. If the terrorists deliberately crashed because of a passenger revolt, they obviously believed the passengers would overwhelm them before they could reach their target.

176 posted on 08/07/2003 6:31:02 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: eno_
Read press reports from local NJ papers, and no remains were found.Some objects, like watches, that didn't incinerate, were recovered and returned, but the local coroner found nadda....so, where do you get this idea that bodies were discovered miles away?
177 posted on 08/07/2003 6:31:30 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: sinkspur
Practically every major news outlet carried stories of debris 8 miles from the main crash site.

While it is possible they are all wrong, there are exactly ZERO major media stories saying those initial reports were wrong.

You are the one wearing tinfoil.
178 posted on 08/07/2003 6:31:53 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Marianne
A group of military and civilian US pilots, under the chairmanship of Colonel Donn de Grand, after deliberating non-stop for 72 hours, has concluded that the flight crews of the four passenger airliners, involved in the September 11th tragedy, had no control over their aircraft.

If I did ANYTHING for 72 hours nonstop, I might conclude that there were no airliners involved in 9/11, at all.

This is conspiracy CRAP.

179 posted on 08/07/2003 6:32:07 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I've got brown sandwiches, and green sandwiches." Oscar Madison in THE ODD COUPLE.)
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To: habs4ever
Body parts. Follow the link. It's the Post-Gazette.
180 posted on 08/07/2003 6:32:43 PM PDT by eno_
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