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US has failed in Iraq, says (German Foreign Minister)Fischer (EUROWEENIE BARF ALERT!)
Expatica ^ | 9/9/03

Posted on 09/10/2003 11:41:37 AM PDT by areafiftyone

BERLIN - German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer asserted Wednesday that US policy in Iraq had failed while calling for German-American ties to be redefined on the basis of equal partners.

"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

He added: "The decisive question now is whether a strategy which has not worked will be replaced by one that can."

Fischer said Germany wanted a swift handover of sovereignty in Baghdad to Iraqi nationals and the United Nations. Moderate Arab and Islamic states must also be involved in stabilising Iraq, he said.

European states would hammer out a new plan for Iraq within the coming two months, Fischer said without giving any further details.

While insisting transatlantic ties remained important, Fischer said in a separate speech to parliament that things would have to change between Berlin and Washington.

"This means we must approach one another as partners," said Fischer, adding that Germany needed to hold a fundamental debate about the future of transatlantic ties.

Berlin would insist on a new multilateralism in global politics, said the minister.

Ties between Germany and the United States have soured over the Iraq war which German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Fischer strongly opposed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fischer; foreignminister; german; germany; iraq; joschkafischer
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Sorry guys but Bush doesn't lick your boots like Clinton did!
1 posted on 09/10/2003 11:41:38 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

I mean it's been a whole 5 months and the haven't fixed the entire middle east yet. What a dismal failure.

Howard Stern has a news magazine?

2 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:19 AM PDT by Lost Highway
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3 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:47 AM PDT by Lost Highway
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To: areafiftyone
>Sorry guys but Bush doesn't lick your boots like Clinton did!

That because Joshka Fischer's boots too busy are kicking the head of a cop during a riot he instigated.

4 posted on 09/10/2003 11:44:59 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: areafiftyone
By going to the UN, he's already agreed to. "Young lady, we've already established exactly what you are - now we're just haggling about the price."
5 posted on 09/10/2003 11:45:45 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Inconceivable!)
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To: areafiftyone
As soon as they field a military and an economy equal to ours, maybe we will consider it.

Their army is a bunch of unionized old men who can't keep up with our young snakeaters, they can field one tank to our 20, and their navy is a joke.

They had better hope that their economy takes off in warp drive to afford their socialist pension scheme as all their loafers retire in the next 2o years.

What a freakin' joke!
6 posted on 09/10/2003 11:48:57 AM PDT by montomike
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer, a former Red Brigade/Bader Meinhoff veteran.

"During my tour of duty with the units above, we were very successful in working the domino theory against innocent bankers, businesmen and other innocent bystanders", said Fischer.

7 posted on 09/10/2003 11:51:24 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: areafiftyone
The euroweenies sure no how to shoot themselves in the foot.
8 posted on 09/10/2003 11:52:41 AM PDT by Dane
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Someone from the Bush Admin should say to the media.:

"We are not returning to the corrupt and oppressive Food for Oil regime. Iraqis deserves sovreignty over their economic lives, and don't need the UN dictating it. The UN is holding billions of dollars of the Iraqi people's money, and that should be released to them."

And such...not that it's going to happen...everyday I see more newspaper articles, more Demo presidential candidates tacitly saying Iraq should be returned to UN economic subjugation. Bush is losing on this point, and the Demos are getting unchallenged reportage.

Whatever happened to those insightful WSJ articles about the UN and Food for Oil? shouldn't they be revved up again?

IMO Bush's "out" on this one is to make it clear that Chriac and Schroeder are acting to protect their economic interests, and that the well-being of the Iraqi people is distant from their concerns.

9 posted on 09/10/2003 11:52:49 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: areafiftyone
Germany will never be equal to the United States; were it not for our sense of goodness in '45 they would be just another third world nation trying to get the plumbing to work. Factor in that Germany has pandered to terrorists for more than 30 years going back to Munich and they will never come close to being America's equal. Tough nut to swallow for our "allies" but the truth hurts!
10 posted on 09/10/2003 11:55:31 AM PDT by God luvs America
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To: areafiftyone
Time to put our equal partner down for a nap. They're getting a little cranky and delusional.
11 posted on 09/10/2003 12:02:41 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Fight Czarism in America!)
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To: areafiftyone
Joschka Fisher, what an interesting guy. The Germans elected a TERRORIST as their foreign minister!

Piasa's Joschka Fischer timeline, assembled from various sources :

1969 : (ALGIERS : GERMAN REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE FOUNDER & FUTURE FOREIGN MINISTER FISCHER MEETS WITH PLO) In 1969, you, Joschka Fischer attended the meeting of the Palestinian Liberation Organization in which the PLO resolved that its ultimate aim was the extinction of Israel--that is to say, the extinction or expulsion of the Jews of Israel. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1970s early : (GERMANY : RED ARMY ASSOCIATE SCHILLER LIVES IN REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE HOUSE OF THE REVOLUTIONARY STRUGGLE, FOUNDED BY COHN-BENDIT & FISCHER) Future German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer harbored Red Army Faction members in the Frankfurt safehouse. Red Army associate Margrit Schiller, who had served jail time for her connections to the Red Army Faction,'' had in her memoirs ``plainly stated that she had spent a `few days' in the early 1970s living in the Revolutionary Struggle house.'' - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1970s : (FISCHER BELONGED TO A FRANKFURT/MAIN TERRORIST GROUP) According to testimony after Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1970s : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ASSOCIATED WITH RED ARMY FACTION IN FRANKFURT/MAIN, AND HAD THROWN ROCKS AT WEST GERMAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS) Veteran German terrorist Margrit Schiller asserted in her book Es war ein harter Kampf um meine Erinnerung that in the 1970s, Fischer had been in contact with illegal members of the Red Army Faction (RAF) in Frankfurt/Main (a terrorist organization my DIE station was at the time supporting with information and money), and that he had thrown stones at representatives of West Germany's pro-American government. Once again, Fisher has denied both accusations. But Schiller, who in the 1970s belonged to the RAF, remembers staying in 1973 at the Frankfurt apartment of "Herr Fischer and Daniel Cohn-Bendit," having breakfast with Fischer, and going on a pub crawl with him. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1970s : (SOVIET KGB & ROMANIAN DIE FUND ANTI-AMERICAN DEMONSTRATIONS IN WEST GERMANY) It may never be possible to prove "beyond the shadow of a doubt" Joschka Fischer's connection with the Soviet KGB, but I , General Ion Mihai Pacepa , do know that the KGB — and my DIE — was financing West Germany's anti-American terrorist movements in the 1970s, while I was still in Romania. Fischer's evidently ingrained anti-Americanism is now spreading throughout the German government, and beyond. This is a monumental display of ingratitude to the 405,399 American soldiers who gave their lives to defeat Berlin's old Axis, as well as to the millions of American taxpayers who spent trillions of dollars to rebuild Germany's war-torn economy and to protect West Germany from falling into Communist clutches. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1972 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS PARTICIPATED IN MURDER OF ISRAELI ATHLETES IN MUNICH OLYMPICS) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1973 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ASSOCIATED WITH AND HARBORED RED ARMY FACTION) But Schiller, who in the 1970s belonged to the RAF (Red Army Faction) , later recalle din her book that she had stayed in 1973 at the Frankfurt apartment of "Herr Fischer and Daniel Cohn-Bendit," having breakfast with Fischer, and going on a pub crawl with him. In October 2002, Fischer was asked by a German prosecutor about this statement — but he dodged the question, replying simply that his flat had not been a hostel for terrorists. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

APRIL 1973 : (GERMANY : JOSCHKA FISCHER AND OTHER RADICALS VICIOUSLY BEAT A YOUNG POLICE OFFICER) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

APRIL 7, 1973 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD ONE DAY BECOME FOREIGN MINISTER OF GERMANY, WAS PHOTOGRAPHED WITH CARLOS' THE JACKAL'S DEPUTY, KLEIN, BEATING A GERMAN POLICE OFFICER) After Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. She also provided pictures showing a helmeted Fischer beating a German police officer during an April 7, 1973, violent demonstration in Frankfurt/Main. The pictures show Fischer fighting side by side with Klein, Carlos's deputy in the 1975 attack on the OPEC headquarters in Vienna. In 2002, after these photographs had been authenticated by the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Fischer publicly apologized to the beaten police officer. Bettina Roehl also disclosed that Fischer had been the main advocate of using petrol bombs in a 1976 demonstration in which a policeman almost died of terrible burns. This information was also vehemently denied by the German foreign minister. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1974 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, OPENLY DEFENDS THE USE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WEST GERMAN OFFICIALS) A 1997 semi-official biography of Joschka Fischer, by Sibylle Krause-Burger, indirectly confirms that Fischer was also involved in hurling stones at West German authorities. These were not spontaneous demonstrations — they were all financed by the Soviet bloc foreign-intelligence community, including my own DIE when I was at its helm. Krause-Burger's book describes how, in a public debate held in 1974 with the Young Socialist functionary Kartsen Voight, Fischer defended throwing stones at the "representatives of the system" as being a legitimate defense against the tyranny of the (West German) government. It is significant that Voight is now responsible for relations with the U.S. in Fischer's ministry of foreign affairs. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1975 : (AUSTRIA : PACEPA, QADDAFI, CEAUSESCU, CARLOS THE JACKAL INVOLVED IN HOSTAGE TAKING IN OPEC HQ) In 1975 Libya's dictator, Colonel Muammar Qaddafi, informed Romania's tyrant, Nicolae Ceausescu — through me, Ion Mihai Pacepa— that he was preparing a terrorist attack against the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), and asked my boss to provide him with blueprints of OPEC's temporary headquarters in Vienna. Ceausescu agreed, and the Romanian espionage service (the DIE) complied. The December 1975 takeover of OPEC's headquarters in Vienna resulted in the seizure of 60 OPEC officials and staff members as hostages. The kidnapping was organized by Qaddafi and the infamous Ilich Ramírez Sánchez — "Carlos" or "the Jackal." - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1975 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS MEMBER KLEIN & CARLOS THE JACKAL IN JOINT ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, KILL THREE) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1976 : (GERMANY, FISCHER PARTICIPATES IN PROTEST SUPPORTING THE BAADER-MAINHOF FOUNDER MEINHOF) In 1976, to protest the death in prison of Baader-Meinhof founder Ulrike Meinhof, the future Foreign Minister of Germany, Joschka Fischer, planned and participated in a Frankfurt demonstration in which, New Left historian Paul Berman later wrote, ``somebody tossed a Molotov cocktail at a policeman and burned him nearly to death.'' You were arrested, but not charged.- "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

DECEMBER 17, 1975 : (TERRORISTS MEET AT LIBYAN EMBASSY IN VIENNA TO PLAN OPEC ATTACK) According to Hans Joachim Klein, on December 17, 1975 — four days before the attack — the terrorists led by Carlos had met with officials of the Libyan embassy in Vienna, who provided the blueprints of the building and the security details, which had been passed to them by my DIE. (The DIE had an agent in Vienna who had access to this information.) "The fact that the necessary information about the [OPEC] conference building came from Libya convinced me that the action could be carried out," Klein testified during his trial many years later in 2001. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1976 : (REVOLUTIONARY CELLS HIJACK PLANE TO ENTEBBE) In 1976, seven years after the Joschka Fischer & PLO meeting in Algiers, Revolutionary Cells terrorists led by the Joschka Fischer's Frankfurt colleague, Wilfried Boese, hijacked an Air France plane to Entebbe. The hijackers intended to murder all the Jewish passengers on that flight, but were killed by Israeli commandos. ``Suddenly,'' Berman wrote, ``the implication of anti-Zionism struck home to (Fischer). What did it mean that, back in Algiers in 1969, the PLO, with the young Fischer in attendance, had voted the Zionist entity into extinction? Now he knew what it meant.'' (* my note: supposedly this was Fischer's epiphany and he thought killing Jews was no longer OK... however, he would oppose the war against the anti-Israel Saddam Hussein in 2003. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

1976 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, ADVOCATED THE USE OF PETROL BOMBS IN DEMONSTRATION WHERE GERMAN POLICE OFFICER WAS NEARLY KILLED BY TERRIBLE BURNS) German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) later disclosed, after the arrest of Carlos the jackal, that Fischer had been the main advocate of using petrol bombs in a 1976 demonstration in which a policeman almost died of terrible burns. This information was also vehemently denied by the German foreign minister. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

JANUARY 1976 : (QADDAFI SENDS NOTE OF THANKS TO CEAUSESCU FOR HELP IN OPEC ATTACK) Joschka Fischer,who testified as a character witness at Klein's trial in 2001, refuted as "grotesque" the allegation that the arms used in the OPEC attack had been kept in the apartment he shared with Hans Joachim Klein and Daniel Cohn-Bendit (currently a member of the European Parliament). I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) have reason to question Fischer's statement. In a January 1976 thank-you message to Ceausescu — also sent through me — Qaddafi had emphasized that Carlos's OPEC operation would not have been possible without the help of the DIE (which had provided the blueprints of OPEC headquarters) and a "West German revolutionary group in Frankfurt/Main" (which had provided Carlos with both manpower and arms). (In giving me the message, Qaddafi, who knew I had at one time been stationed in Frankfurt/Main as chief of the DIE's West German station, specifically called my attention to the mention of "your" Frankfurt.) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1979 : (CARLOS THE JACKAL KILLS TWO FRENCH POLICE OFFICERS) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1997 : (CARLOS THE JACKAL ARRESTED BY FRENCH : SAYS KLEIN WAS ASSISTANT ON OPEC ATTACK IN 1975, HAD HELP OF COHN-BENDIT & FISCHER, LATER TO BE GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER) Carlos (Ilich Ramirez Sanchez) was arrested in Khartoum, Sudan, by the French counterintelligence service (DST), with whose director, Yves Bonnet, I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) had earlier cooperated after leaving Romania. Carlos was immediately taken to Paris, where he was charged with killing two French police officers in 1979; he was sentenced to life in prison. During interrogation, Carlos asserted that his deputy for the OPEC operation had been German terrorist Hans Joachim Klein, codenamed "Angie," who had killed an OPEC security man and an Austrian policeman during that attack. Carlos also testified that the weapons used for the OPEC operation had been kept in an apartment in Frankfurt/Main, where Klein was then living with two other "red revolutionaries" of those days, Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Joschka Fischer. After Carlos was arrested by the DST, German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s.- "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

1998 : (GERMANY : GREEN PARTY GAINS) German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer : The foreign minister of Germany since 1998, when Germany's left-wing Greens Party, of which you are a leader, won enough in the polls to force the Social Democratic Party into the so-called Red-Greens coalition government. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

OCTOBER 1998 : (JOSCHKA FISCHER BECOMES GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2000 : (KLEIN ARRESTED, HAD WORKED WITH CARLOS THE JACKAL IN OPEC ATTACK IN 1975) In 2000, Hans Joachim Klein, who was a fugitive, was also arrested by the French DST. He was deported to Germany, where he was charged with abetting Carlos's OPEC terrorist operation, and he cooperated with the prosecution.- "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2001 : (GERMANY : REVOLUTIONARY CELLS MEMBER KLEIN TRIED, SEE RED ARMY FACTION, PFLP) In 2001, the German government put on trial your old friend Hans-Joachim Klein, who had been an underground ``soldier'' in the Revolutionary Cells, an ally of the Red Army Faction and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. The Revolutionary Cells helped in the murder of the Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich in 1972, and Klein himself took part in a 1975 joint assassination operation with Carlos the Jackal in which three were killed. During your testimony at Klein's trial, you were accused of having harbored Red Army Faction members in your Revolutionary Struggle house, the Frankfurt center for the group Revolutionary Struggle, which you co-founded with housemate Daniel ``Danny the Red'' Cohn-Bendit. You were forced to admit there was some truth in the accusation after it was revealed, as Berman reported, that Margrit Schiller, ``who had served jail time for her connections to the Red Army Faction,'' had in her memoirs ``plainly stated that she had spent a `few days' in the early 1970s living in the Revolutionary Struggle house.'' (After your testimony, you shook hands with your old terrorist-friend Klein. Sweet.) - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2001 : (KLEIN TRIED IN CONNECTION WITH 1975 OPEC ATTACK AIDED BY CARLOS THE JACKAL & LIBYA; FISCHER) Klein was sentenced to only nine years in prison, since he had aided investigators. Joschka Fischer,who testified as a character witness at Klein's trial in 2001, refuted as "grotesque" the allegation that the arms used in the OPEC attack had been kept in the apartment he shared with Hans Joachim Klein and Daniel Cohn-Bendit (currently a member of the European Parliament). I (Ion Mihai Pacepa) have reason to question Fischer's statement. In a January 1976 thank-you message to Ceausescu — also sent through me — Qaddafi had emphasized that Carlos's OPEC operation would not have been possible without the help of the DIE (which had provided the blueprints of OPEC headquarters) and a "West German revolutionary group in Frankfurt/Main" (which had provided Carlos with both manpower and arms). (In giving me the message, Qaddafi, who knew I had at one time been stationed in Frankfurt/Main as chief of the DIE's West German station, specifically called my attention to the mention of "your" Frankfurt.) - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

2001 : (GERMANY : BAADER-MEINHOF FOUNDER MEINHOF'S DAUGHTER TOLD THE PRESS THAT JOSCHKA FISCHER WAS THE ONE WHO THREW A FIREBOMB AT A GERMAN POLICEMAN AND NEARLY BURNED HIM TO DEATH) In 2001, Meinhof's daughter, Bettina Rohl (who gave those damning photos to Stern) told the press that you, Joschka Fischer, were responsible for the throwing of that firebomb. Other contemporary witnesses, Berman reported, said that you ``had never ruled out the use of Molotovs and may even have favored it.'' You denied it, for the record. - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2001 : (GERMANY : STERN MAGAZINE PUBLISHES PHOTOS OF FISCHER BEATING A POLICEMAN) In 2001, Stern magazine published five photographs of the person who was to be German Foreign Minister, Joschka Fischer. in action on April 1973. What these pictures depicted was described by New Left Historian Paul Berman, in a deeply informed 25,000-word article, ``The Passion of Joschka Fischer'' (The New Republic, Sept. 3, 2001). The photos showed you, Mr. Fischer, inflicting a ``gruesome beating'' on a young policeman named Rainer Marx: ``Fischer and other people on the attack, the white-helmeted cop going into a crouch; Fischer's black-gloved fist raised as if to punch the crouching cop on the back; Fischer's comrades crowding around; the cop huddled on the ground, Fischer and his comrades appearing to kick him ...'' As Berman reported, Mr. Fischer, you rose in public life as an important figure in the anti-American, anti-liberal, neo-Marxist, revolution-minded German radical left of the generation of 1968. This was the left that produced and supported the Baader-Meinhof Gang (or Red Army Faction), which, as Berman wrote, ``refrained from nothing,'' including ``kidnappings, bank holdups, murders.'' You were not a terrorist yourself, but you were a good and active friend to terrorists, weren't you, Mr. Fischer? - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

2002 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD ONE DAY BECOME FOREIGN MINISTER OF GERMANY, APOLOGIZES TO GERMAN POLICE OFFICER HE BEAT IN APRIL 1973 AFTER PHOTOGRAPHS PROVE HE WAS ONE OF THE PERPS) German journalist Bettina Roehl (daughter of the late Ulrike Meinhof, co-leader of the terrorist Baader-Meinhof organization) revealed later that Fischer did indeed belong to a Frankfurt/Main terrorist group during the 1970s. She also provided pictures showing a helmeted Fischer beating a German police officer during an April 7, 1973, violent demonstration in Frankfurt/Main. The pictures show Fischer fighting side by side with Klein, Carlos's deputy in the 1975 attack on the OPEC headquarters in Vienna. In 2002, after these photographs had been authenticated by the German daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Fischer publicly apologized to the beaten police officer. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

OCTOBER 2002 : (FISCHER, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER, IS ASKED ABOUT HIS USE OF HIS FLAT AS A SAFE HOUSE FOR RED ARMY FACTION MEMBERS) In October 2002, Fischer was asked by a German prosecutor about this statement — but he dodged the question, replying simply that his flat had not been a hostel for terrorists. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

FEBRUARY 2003 early : (GERMANY : MUNICH : US SECDEF RUMSFELD FACEOFF WITH GERMAN FOREIGN MINISTER FISCHER) (BEG ITAL)``Excuse me. I am not convinced.'' - --German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, lecturing to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in Munich last week, following Rumsfeld's argument for war against Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld may have convinced the leaders of 18 European nations, but not you, Mr. Fischer. It's personal. This seems to me the right way to look at it. The question of failing to convince must be seen in the context of (BEG ITAL)who we have failed to convince. Sometimes ``who'' explains ``why.'' - "Mr. Fischer, who are you?" by Michael Kelly (archive), townhall.com, February 12, 2003, ©2003 Washington Post Writers Group

FEBRUARY 10, 2003 : (BERLIN-MOSCOW-PARIS AXIS) On February 10, 2003, the government of Germany began building a new, anti-American Berlin-Moscow-Paris Axis. As one of the former Soviet bloc experts on German matters (and chief of a bloc intelligence station in West Germany), I had been waiting for something like that to happen ever since October 1998, when Joschka Fischer became Germany's foreign minister. Fischer is an indirect product of the old anti-American intelligence community to which I once belonged. - "Berlin's New Anti-American Axis (Joschka Fischer Alert), "by Ion Mihai Pacepa, National Review 2/14/03 — General Ion Mihai Pacepa is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. He is currently finishing a new book, Red Roots: The Origins of Today's Anti-Americanism.

12 posted on 09/10/2003 12:06:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone; Shermy
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

Actually, the American domino theory does work, and the proof is right in front of him, from Germany to Moscow, all the dominoes have fallen, and except for Belarus, there isn't a single communist government left in Europe.

The fight isn't over, the fight will never be over, the communists are busily burrowing into the free governments of Europe and Brussels for good measure, but those are dominoes for another day.

13 posted on 09/10/2003 12:08:40 PM PDT by marron
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To: areafiftyone
"The American domino theory under which a liberated Iraq was supposed to stabilise the Middle East and democratise one country after another has not proven right," said Fischer in an interview with the news magazine Stern.

What's the matter little Joachim? Are you scared that you may be eventually proved wrong? Loser!

14 posted on 09/10/2003 12:09:33 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Lost Highway
Howard Stern has a news magazine?

Stern is a left-of-center German rag.

15 posted on 09/10/2003 12:11:42 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: areafiftyone
Here's a new poll on what the Iraqis themselves are thinking about what's happening in their country (poll conducted by American Enterprise magazine with Zogby assisting).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979368/posts
16 posted on 09/10/2003 12:14:07 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: areafiftyone
What has Germany done since the Nazis slaughtered 6 million people 60 years ago?
17 posted on 09/10/2003 12:15:15 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Cindy; Howlin; Grampa Dave; Travis McGee; Miss Marple; Lion's Cub; William McKinley
fyi - new timeline on Fischer (See my homepage for more timeline links)
18 posted on 09/10/2003 12:16:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: areafiftyone
APRIL 2003 : (GERMAN COMPANY OPTRONIC'S ALUMINUM TUBES LOADED ON FRENCH SHIP UNLOADED IN EGYPT, PERHAPS ON WAY TO N KOREA) The German government has intercepted a shipment of German-made aluminium tubes probably destined for use in North Korea's nuclear programme, according to a German magazine. The weekly magazine Der Spiegel said in its issue due to be published on Monday that 22 tonnes of aluminium tubes, essential in the manufature of enriched uranium, were loaded onto a French ship in Hamburg in early April just as German federal vetoed the shipment. The German government alerted the French authorities, who ordered the ship's captain to unload the containers in Egypt. Officially the tubes were on their way to a Chinese aeronautics company, but according to Der Spiegel Berlin believes this company was a front for North Korea. The German firm's business contact was a North Korean national, it said. The paper said the head of the German company, called Optronic and which is based at Koenigsbronn in southern Germany, had been detained for questioning. The prosecutor's office in Stuttgart confirmed it had opened an investigation into a local firm suspected of contravening foreign trade regulations, but gave no further details. On Thursday, in the first direct high-level contact between the United States and North Korea since the crisis over Pyongyang's nuclear programme erupted last October, North Korea confirmed it possessed nuclear weapons.- "Suspect nuclear-related shipment to NKorea intercepted: report," ABCnewsonline, Australian Broadcasting Corp, http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s840819.htm, April 27, 2003
19 posted on 09/10/2003 12:19:10 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: God luvs America
And you call Europeans arrogant?
20 posted on 09/10/2003 12:22:24 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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