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Democrats lash out at Benson, Free State Project (MORE WHINE FROM NH DIMS)
Newsday ^ | October 1, 2003 | KATE McCANN

Posted on 10/01/2003 7:47:31 PM PDT by Sparta

CONCORD, N.H -- State Democrats lashed out against Gov. Craig Benson and the Free State Project, which said Wednesday it wants to bring 20,000 libertarians to New Hampshire to influence public policy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: dems; freestateproject; fsp; libertarians; porcupines; sorens

1 posted on 10/01/2003 7:47:32 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: archy
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2 posted on 10/01/2003 7:48:03 PM PDT by Sparta ("General" Wesley Strangelove "Let me start World War III, vote for me as president.")
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3 posted on 10/01/2003 7:50:41 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Sparta
"In a news release, the state Democratic Party also said the Free State Project wants to eliminate fire departments, environmental protections and stop the state from accepting federal health care for seniors."

And additionally, they claimed that the Free State Project would increase the collision of asteroids into the earth, increase global warming, foster wars in Third World countries, encourage more terrorist attacks against the United States, eat small children for breakfast, and worst of all, reduce the attempts for a bunch of pantywaisted control freak miscreants to ruin another state, only to have the remainder tarred, feathered, and run out of town on a rail.

Seriously, it would be nice to see the side of the spectrum opposite of the California fiasco. See if another laboratory of democracy shows a different way. I wonder why the idea of liberty scares the Democrats so much?

4 posted on 10/01/2003 7:55:42 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Sparta; AAABEST; A.J.Armitage; archy; austingirl; BADROTOFINGER; Baseballguy; bc2; Beck_isright; ...
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No, not just a *ping.*

PorcuPing!

5 posted on 10/01/2003 7:57:24 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Tench_Coxe
I have heard the libertarian party wanting to eliminate a lot of functions the government performs, and I have yet to find one to disagree with. But I have never heard the party take the position that they want to eliminate fire departments, presumably for private, for hire, or subscription based fire fighting forces.

Has the LP really taken such a position?

6 posted on 10/01/2003 8:01:13 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord
Not that I know of.
7 posted on 10/01/2003 8:04:45 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: Phantom Lord
This stuff about eliminating fire departments and schools is just a bunch of FUD from the RATS for the sheeple. The RATS are scared to death the free-staters may make some changes.
8 posted on 10/01/2003 8:26:30 PM PDT by upchuck (Wanna make the Taglinus FreeRepublicus list? Simple-just jiggle jigsaw with yer credit card number :)
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To: Sparta
"Craig Benson is a loose cannon, and this is what results when a loose cannon doesn't have the common sense to think before he speaks," Sullivan said. "It's another Craig Benson folly we're going to have to live with."

Is the Governor supposed to bar these people from moving to NH? What an idiot. If for no other reason, I'm sure the state can use the taxes.

9 posted on 10/01/2003 8:28:29 PM PDT by tonyinv (There will be no "news at 11" only spin.)
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To: Sparta
So, how long until the Freestaters realize that their political power, like the political power of NH natives is going to be swamped by hard core, tax evading leftists moving there from MA...voting for tax raising hard core leftists?

While NH is a wonderful place, I think they made a bad decision...
10 posted on 10/01/2003 8:41:24 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: Sparta
Is Gov> Benson a Republican?
11 posted on 10/01/2003 8:45:47 PM PDT by teletech (Have we dug up Saddam yet?)
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To: swilhelm73
Their cars will rust to pieces very quickly, too.
12 posted on 10/01/2003 8:48:20 PM PDT by cruiserman
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So the Republican governor supports libertarians and the Democrats are bitching and moaning about them. Kinda puts into perspective the motives of the virulent anti-libertarians around here, eh?
13 posted on 10/01/2003 8:54:16 PM PDT by jmc813 (How ironic is it that Arnold turned out to be the spoiler?)
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To: Tench_Coxe
It seems to scare a lot of Pubbies as well, especially in California... look at the RINOld vs McClintock threads...
14 posted on 10/01/2003 8:57:30 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.")
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To: teletech; jmc813
Gov. Benson is a Republican, and a very common sense libertarian guy: limited government, low taxes, self-determination, and liberty.


Anything that has the Democrats in this advanced a stage of their attack mode can't be too bad of a thing! I think I am rather looking forward to this! :)

As for some folk's attitudes, jmc813, I think their words speak volumes.
15 posted on 10/01/2003 9:11:35 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: Sparta
said Democratic Party Chairwoman Kathy Sullivan. "Craig Benson should explain to the voters why he is supporting such a radical, antifamily agenda."

No, I'm sorry Ms. Sullivan, it is the Democraps that are the ones with trully 'radical, antifamily agenda. Not to mention anti-freedom, anti-liberty, anti-Constitution, anti-individual, anti-LIFE agenda!

16 posted on 10/01/2003 9:18:15 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: Phantom Lord; All
They may be thinking of going to all volunteer fire departments. I believe New Hampshire is the most conservative state in New England. IIRC, the state motto is "Live Free or Die". Unfortunately, it is bordered by governments with socialist proclivities, i.e. Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts and Canada.
17 posted on 10/01/2003 9:33:49 PM PDT by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: Tench_Coxe
foster wars in Third World countries, encourage more terrorist attacks against the United States

Actually, those two are true . . .

18 posted on 10/01/2003 10:47:10 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Robot robot robot)
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To: swilhelm73
So, how long until the Freestaters realize that their political power, like the political power of NH natives is going to be swamped by hard core, tax evading leftists moving there from MA...voting for tax raising hard core leftists?

About 2008 or 2010, by my reckoning in another post. If the FSP continued recruitment of porcupines continues after the migration has begun until those years when it's projected to have installed the first 20,000 resident in the state, the additional numbers can either climb aboard and join up with their porcupine pals in the Granite State if needed to offset the problem you describe, or can carry the effort to other states if they so choose, with some perhaps replacing those in NH who'd have really preferred a western location. At that point, they should number around three quarters of a million, given the continued rate of growth, and that's a figure greater than the number of registered Repubublicans and Democrats in NH combined now, with a few independent voters thrown in for good measure- and some of them would likely be FSP sympathetic. And of course, it's possible that the number of new Porcupines will grow at an even faster rate as the movement progresses and receives more national attention, as it just has.

So, how long until the Freestaters realize that their political power, like the political power of NH natives is going to be swamped by hard core, tax evading leftists moving there from MA...voting for tax raising hard core leftists?

Could the FSP really attract that many member/voters? Well, When Bush I ran against Clinton on his *No New Taxes* and gun control/import ban platform, one American voter in five chose an Independent from the Reform Party, a little Jug-eared Texan who liked giving flip chart presentations, rather than hold their nose again and pick between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.

While NH is a wonderful place, I think they made a bad decision...

I agree, to a point. I think our initially limited numbers would have shown results quicker in Wyoming or Montana, though NH is an admittedly beautiful and probable more *comfortable* locale for resettlement- but I am not in this for comfort; others appear to be. I do hate the idea of having all our eggs in one basket though, and once the efort takes hold elsewhere besides NH, even if to a more limited degree and with far less greater overall results initially expected, then I'll breathe a lot easier.

-archy-/-

19 posted on 10/02/2003 7:43:51 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: bc2
Gov. Benson is a Republican, and a very common sense libertarian guy: limited government, low taxes, self-determination, and liberty.

Indeed, and has a swell family, too. And his butler is a absolutely fascinating character.


20 posted on 10/02/2003 7:46:49 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Phantom Lord
But I have never heard the party take the position that they want to eliminate fire departments, presumably for private, for hire, or subscription based fire fighting forces.

Has the LP really taken such a position?

I haven't heard of anything along those lines, either from NH LP folks or anyone from the FSP. Not that it's necessarily a lousy idea, just that there are other projects with a lot higher priority; fire departments tend to be one of the more effictive and efficiently-run governmental functions around- in some places, NH being one of them.

But I grew up as a refinery town brat to parents working in the oil industry in the processing side rather than the more usually noted production and drilling end of that industry. It was a lot like being an Army brat, except our hometowns smelled a lot worse.

Another difference was that few of the kids I grew up with wanted to be firefighters when we grew up; it was a private company job rather than a local governmental one around us, and had the life expectancy similar to that of a Kamakazi pilot; a LOT of the guys on our refinery F.D. sported REALLY bad burn scars, some facial.

But they caught the little ones before they became big ones, for the most part, helped train the local governmental F.D.s in their procedures, and usually had mutual assistance pacts with those local departments. Likewise, private airport fire departments generally take care of their own specialty effectively, while offering their assistance and specialized equipment to nearby departments as needed and as available. I'd expect a *privitized* FD to work along similar lines, similar to private security guards and governmental law enforcement.

-archy-/-

21 posted on 10/02/2003 7:59:08 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: cruiserman
Their cars will rust to pieces very quickly, too.

Maybe we could get a deal on some old East German Trabis?

Or maybe a little better, some aluminum-body British Land Rovers. Eeeek, Lucas Electricals!

-archy-/-

22 posted on 10/02/2003 8:01:08 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: tonyinv
"Craig Benson is a loose cannon, and this is what results when a loose cannon doesn't have the common sense to think before he speaks," Sullivan said. "It's another Craig Benson folly we're going to have to live with."

Is the Governor supposed to bar these people from moving to NH? What an idiot. If for no other reason, I'm sure the state can use the taxes.

An editor for whom I once worked was asked why he kept a loose cannon like me on his staff, and replied that a loose cannon can be a very handy thing to have available when your enemies may attack from any direction, particularly in the darkness. It appears that Gov. Benson has a similar situation.

-archy-/-

23 posted on 10/02/2003 8:04:41 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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An editor for whom I once worked was asked why he kept a loose cannon like me on his staff, and replied that a loose cannon can be a very handy thing to have available when your enemies may attack from any direction, particularly in the darkness.

Thanks for a good smile.

Larry was not the greatest conversationalist in the world and he was a pain to work for at times, but when he'd sit down and string words together, he sometimes pieced together a story that brought you to tears or leave you smiling all day, as required by the details.

Last I heard a few months back, he was the editor of a smalltown daily in his native Kansas again, a place he loved. And he was in the process taking on local corruption, with the local crooks trying to forestall his eforts at exposing them by attacking his business. I think I'm going to have to check on how his battles are going out that way, and maybe round up a few other newsies to make up the equivalent of a cavalry patrol to the rescue.

He's a helluva newspaperman, and I'm proud to have worked for Larry Hiatt, now of Baxter Springs, Kansas.

25 posted on 10/02/2003 9:53:31 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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