Skip to comments.Texas Redistricting - Senate [PASSES!] new redistricting !!!
Posted on 10/12/2003 3:38:54 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP
Texas Redistricting - Senate set to vote and pass new map
Excerpt from THIS THREAD:
AUSTIN - The Texas House approved a sweeping government reorganization measure Sunday, acquiescing to Senate terms for giving final approval to a congressional redistricting map.
The House approved the measure by a 79-35 vote, then adjourned the third special session.
Final passage of the Republican-backed redistricting map now rests with the Senate.
Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst previously said the Senate would not approve the map until the House passed the unrelated bill intended to reorganize state government.
"I'm personally ready to call their bluff in the Senate," said Rep. Terry Keel, R-Austin, arguing against the government reorganization bill.
The Senate was scheduled to convene at 6 p.m.
Dewhurst said senators can only vote on redistricting Sunday, not filibuster, because he has closed down debate.
Senate signs off on redistricting map
Six months and three special sessions later, plan sits on Perry's desk
10:16 PM CDT on Sunday, October 12, 2003
AUSTIN The Senate on Sunday capped six months of political warfare, approving a congressional redistricting map drawn to increase Republican representation in Washington.
Senators adjourned the year's third special session about 7:30 p.m. after sending the congressional redistricting bill to Gov. Rick Perry by a mostly party-line vote, 17-14.
The new congressional districts are designed to favor the GOP in four to seven districts that Democrats now hold, swinging the balance of power. Democrats control 17 of the state's 32 seats in the U.S. House.
All 12 Democratic senators voted against the plan. They were joined by dissenting Republicans Troy Fraser of Horseshoe Bay and Bill Ratliff of Mount Pleasant.
"The northern half of my current district becomes dominated by suburban D-FW," Mr. Ratliff said. "My constituents didn't want to do redistricting. I didn't want to do redistricting."
The bruising battle left Democrats smoldering with resentment.
"It's ... a sad day because it was just a clear, blatant abuse of power intended to build the Republican Party at the expense of Democrats and more specifically, the white incumbent, the Anglo incumbent, and the minorities whom they represent," said Sen. Judith Zaffirini, D-Laredo.
And, alluding to Democrats' next move, Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, said, "Before the sun sets tomorrow, someone will probably be in a court."
The often-contentious debate also deepened differences between Republican leaders, with sniping between Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and House Speaker Tom Craddick of Midland.
The two men ended the session disputing each other's accounts of whether, on Friday morning, they had agreed on the sequence in which the Legislature would vote on redistricting and an unrelated state government reorganization bill.
Mr. Dewhurst said he told the speaker the reorganization, which would strip powers from GOP Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn, was important to a number of senators whose votes were key to passing the new congressional map. Mr. Dewhurst said Mr. Craddick agreed the House would pass redistricting and government reorganization, but the House later appeared to be reneging on the anti-Strayhorn measure.
"We did not have a deal on redistricting," Mr. Craddick shot back. "That's crazy. ... That didn't happen."
The squabbling was academic. The House on Sunday afternoon passed the bill stripping Mrs. Strayhorn's office of power to audit schools and state agencies. GOP senators who had held the redistricting bill hostage, because they wanted Mrs. Strayhorn punished for criticisms of the Legislature, agreed to proceed to a final vote on redistricting.
All through the third special session, Republicans in the two chambers were at odds. Differences were resolved when U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, arrived in Austin last week to mediate.
Mr. DeLay had earlier lobbied the Republican leadership to redraw congressional lines crafted by the federal court after the Legislature could not agree in 2001.
Democrats have denounced the resulting map as racist, while Republicans have said it was necessary to undo past gerrymandering and to better reflect the state's tilt toward the GOP, which controls all top state offices.
Redistricting gained momentum this year after Republicans claimed a majority of the state House and Senate.
House Democrats blocked it during the regular session, fleeing in May to Oklahoma and denying the chamber a quorum to do business.
In late June, Mr. Perry summoned lawmakers back to Austin to work on redistricting, but Senate rules required that two-thirds of the chambers' members approve any measure before it could come to the floor for a vote.
A second special session also ended in failure after 11 Democratic senators, upset that the two-thirds rule had been subsequently jettisoned, holed up in New Mexico for 45 days. That denied the Senate a quorum, broken Sept. 2 when Mr. Whitmire left the Democrats and returned to Texas.
Mr. Perry called a third special session, highlighted by wrangling within the GOP over West Texas and Mr. Craddick's demand for a district anchored in his hometown of Midland.
Effect on primary
While Mr. DeLay's mediation provided a comprise, it likely will mean that the state's primary will be a week later than planned, on March 9. The extra time will be needed for U.S. Justice Department and federal court review of the plan.
If the new district map, which the House passed Friday, gains necessary approval, it will eliminate one of the last vestiges of the era, from the 1870s to the 1970s, when Democrats ruled Texas' political roost.
The map was changed in the third special session's waning days to reflect an aggressive Republican strategy to go after white Democratic incumbents. Democrats claimed the tactic violates the federal Voting Rights Act, weakening minorities' ability to elect representative members to Congress.
"As soon as the governor signs it, the ball is in our hands," said Sen. Royce West, D-Dallas, vowing the Democrats will challenge the new map in court.
Republicans rejected such reasoning. They said their plan would elect one more Hispanic member to Congress and one more black member, in addition to the seven Hispanics and two blacks now representing Texas.
The redistricting battle has kept the Legislature in session for more days this year than in any previous year. Both Democrats and some Republicans have warned it could leave a lingering residue of partisan ill will after a decade of vaunted bipartisanship.
Mr. Perry and Mr. Dewhurst have predicted tempers will cool and cooperation will return when lawmakers tackle reform of school finance and the state's tax structure in coming months.
But Sen. Mario Gallegos, D-Houston, said Democratic lawmakers won't soon forget how their colleagues tried to fine them each $57,000 for their New Mexico trip and bulldozed the map through to passage.
"The emotions are high," Mr. Gallegos said. "I'd be lying to you if I told you it isn't going to spill over into school finance. That's another emotional issue."
Staff writer George Kuempel in Austin contributed to this report.
Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/101303dntexsession.15cd97d7.html
17 - 14...... Means two Republican Senators voted No..... Probably Ratliff and I don't know who the other would be. I think there were originally 3 or 4 objecting until they got the differences worked out with the House and the House passed the Reorganizational matters....
They ran they delayed but in the end they voted and lost
From my update from The Dallas Morning News in post #201:
All 12 Democratic senators voted against the plan. They were joined by dissenting Republicans Troy Fraser of Horseshoe Bay and Bill Ratliff of Mount Pleasant.
Simple GOP majority rules the day. It's a great day for Texas !!
Now then, two questions:
1) What things (if anything) can be done to expedite the process for getting the new map approved by the necessary powers that be (courts, etc.) ??
2) What are the chances that this new map will be in place in time to be implemented for election 2004 ??
I just KNOW the 'RATS are going to do everything in their power to delay this for 2004 ...
Yeah ! Thanks. Probably FIVE extra GOP seats added now. That's a net ten swing !
Yep ! Passed redistricting on Columbus Day !
Catching up to my comments on this thread. It's a great day for Texas and for the country !
Fraser and Ratliff rocking the boat. I WILL try to remember these two ! Thanks ...
Nope. I know where he lives NOW, we have lunch sometimes, but the fact remains he is a lawyer from California. He's is really a fine fellow, but don't tell him.......
Which is the only reason he has found ways to avoid paying up on the beer debt (1,247 and counting)
I am willing to work as a collection agent for 20%.
So we have won the battle but the war in the courts will go on.
Great News, so far.
Now i have to wonder if the runaway rats will send Willy Nelson his whiskey back, no i reckon they are drinking it for breakfast this am to drive the pain away.
Congrats to Texans and Republicans.
*** Fingers crossed for favorable court rulings.***
I believe they effectively made Frost's district such that he is toast ...
I hope so too, and I also pray that the new guys will be people who have NEVER served in a government dominated by Dimocrats, so we can rid our party of its' overwhelming minority mentality.
That minority mentality seems to render our "leaders" incapable of functioning whenever a Dimocrat opposes them.
Ron Paul is "independent" in the same sense that a loose cannon rolling about the deck in heavy seas, smashing anything it runs into, is said to be "independent."
Maybe the best description of him is just a"loose cannon!"
Mr. Blue Dog who votes with Sheila Jackson-Lee 90% of the time, Turner?
Bye-bye Yellow-Dog Blue Dog.
The only way either of those two guys could win would be to move to a new district. Even then, they'd either have to beat out a minority candidate, generally the incumbent.
The Republicans could not have done a better job in making it virtually impossible for either of these two nasty liberals to stay in Congress.
I see clear sailing through the courts. Hope so, anyway ! ...
Well, I don't know about Fraser, but it seems that Ratliff was opposed to Redistricting from the very beginning.
The 'RATS controlled it for 130 years. I would think that most GOP would have been glad to have the opportunity to made the calls now. I guess he didn't feel that way ...
hehe ! It's a happy week for the GOP. In a five day period the GOP made a successful Recall in California and replaced dimwit Davis with a GOP, AND redistricted about FIVE 'RATS out of commission here in Texas.
Good reason to celebrate alright ! :O)
60% of 435 is 261. Got a long way to go (although 60% is far more important for the Senate).
I see your note on #228 also. I wasn't certain of the exact number, but you are in the ball park.
I think realistically, we have added five. It's a good thing !! ...
Thanks for the ping
I doubt this will be clear sailing through the courts. I'm not an expert in redistricting litigation, but I have some friends who are. They pretty much say that defending it in the courts is going to be pretty hard.
While we might not have too much trouble in terms of minority opportunity districts (which stay pretty much the same), we are gonna have a VRA challenge under the 'communities of interest' aspect of the VRA.
So what is with the GOP claims that the new map adds 2 more minority districts ?? Is that not true ??
I am not up on the technical aspects, so I'm not sure what the 'communities of interest' aspect of Voter Rights is all about.
We split up rural communities of interest like crazy and attached all the rural areas to suburbs. That's going to be our biggest challenge in the courts.
Aren't the maps currently pretty much like that now ?? I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not sure, period.
Oh. I think I see what you're saying now. Thanks.
While I'm thinking about it, here is a list of selected links for Texas Redistricing ...
FR Search: Keyword "Redistricting"
Texas Redistricting - Senate [PASSES!] new redistricting !!!
GOP's legislative map up for vote
Texas Redistricting map now online
(link is in thread)
Democrats in Congress unhappy with Redistricting
(Goodbye, Martin Frost)
Texas Reaches Redistricting Agreement
The Communist Party Is Alive and Well -
Cheering Democrat Legislators On MoveOn.Org
Federal Judges Dismiss ALL Claims of Democratic Senators
"The arrest issue likely will become moot," the judges wrote in their opinion. Democrats "fear of being coerced to appear at a legislative session is shifting to a fear of being prevented from appearing.
Translation: Dear 'RATS: Ya can't turn the issue on its' head and have it both ways. Report to work and do your jobs or pay the price for being absent !!
Governor Calls 3rd Special Session (Texas Redistricting)
Dems to return to Texas
Standoff may crumble - Whitmire returns;
Perry weighs 3rd special session (Chicken Run)
Senators urge Perry to back off -
Poll: 62% of Texans opposed to 'RATS bolting to New Mexico
MoveOn.org Aiding Fugitive Texas Democrats (Update!)
Costs for Democrat exiles may hit $400,000 -
MoveOn.org, DNC, Texas 'RAT Party raise funds for them
MoveOn.Org Supporting the Texas Chicken D's -
Letter from Senator Rodney Ellis
This was written by Freeper Congressman Billybob ...
"Texans for Sale or Rent"
[To the Roger Miller tune, Trailers for sale or rent] ...
Texans for sale or rent / Having our room service sent / Lounging round by the pools / Playing our whole state for fools ....
We know every lawyer in every court / And all of their partners, and all of their torts / And every hangout, in every town/ And every lock that ain't locked when no one's around ....
Texans for sale or rent ....
With my apologies to the good Freepers and lawyers here. No offense intended ...
And that article is a LOT more than that little song parody, too !
I like my versions better !:
no offense intended toward good Freepers and lawyers ...
Texas democrats. Radio interview with
Sen. Rodney Ellis, runaway senator.
This is one of the Texas Chicken D's holed up in Albuquerque, N.M. He calls the fines 'Poll Taxes' and RUDELY hogs the conversation with this radio show host, then HANGS UP on him !!
Unbelievable Conversation with Senator Rodney Ellis
by Greg Knapp 08-13-2003
Youve GOT to hear this to believe it ! (13 min., 47 sec)
Runaway Democrats shun deadline, defy fines - 'RAT sign: 'Republican Poll Tax: Day 1 $1,000'
Fleeing Texas Democrats face new probe
AWOL senators face fines
Demo senators strike note of defiance in maintaining holdout
(Chicken Run Official Song...)
Excerpt (Freeper comeback lyrics):
"The Killer D's of Texas"
Tune: "The Yellow Rose of Texas"
Words copyright 2003 SChad Fairbanks
Oh, the killer D's of Texas,
Are running away.
They don't act like real Texans,
so who needs 'em anyway.
They fled across the border,
to avoid a little fray.
And the killer D's of Texas
are afraid of Tom Delay.
Van de Putte says she expects redistricting measure to pass
(Texas Van to Van de Putte Freep meeting)
Walkout leader blasts Perry -
Democrat Van de Putte says governor's push for remap has been divisive
Each side has its spin on redistricting standoff
Dewhurst's reputation depends on 11 who fled
Senators' letter asks Dewhurst for help --
Dems get diapers, `nasty' phone calls
Dewhurst: I'm honoring tradition and precedent
(Article exposes RAT Lies!!)
Congressional districts in Texas today are essentially those drawn by a partisan Legislature in 1991. At that time, a national publication called the Texas map the most outrageously gerrymandered redistricting effort in the nation, resulting in Democratic strength in our congressional delegation well beyond its representation among voters.
Our congressional lines are even more outdated today. When the Legislature failed to draw new lines to accommodate Texas' two new congressional seats in 2001, the job fell to a federal court. The judges made the fewest changes possible to the existing 1991 map, in essence protecting incumbents.
Democrats bolt again to New Mexico
(Senators trying to halt new special session on redistricting)
Link to pics of the 11 Democrat Senators that Obstructed Redistricting
Session ends as 11 Democrats slip out
(Dem's Flee state again!)
GOP effort to redraw districts is crushed
Democrats may be free to flee - constitutionally protected, says lawyer
As new Texas redistricting map offered,
Dewhurst says compromise is in the air
Committee passes redistricting bill (Texas)
Texas Republican Senators Forge Ahead on Congressional Redistricting Plans
[Texas] Senators talk of boycotting any redistricting session
Mr. Dewhurst said he would be on solid ground in working around the Senate tradition requiring a two-thirds vote to take up a bill. The late Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock, a Democrat, did the same thing in a 1992 special session on legislative redistricting, Mr. Dewhurst said.
New map, same pain for Dems
(Texas Redistricting fun)
New map surfacing in Texas Senate
Dewhurst at crossroads on redistricting in Texas Senate
Ratliff joins Democrats to oppose redistricting
The state Republican Party was quick to point out that the [2/3rds] rule has been abandoned on occasion such as when the Senate took up a state senatorial redistricting plan in 1992.
DROP IT -- Redistricting would benefit few Texans, harm many
Senators have problems with House redistricting map - Texas redistricting
House passes remap
Veteran Democrats may lose seats if bill goes through Senate
Above article is worthy of showing that a picture indeed is worth a thousand words:
First the Chicken Ds run away to Ardmore, Oklahoma. That didnt work, so here they are,
still having a fit during the Redistricting debate:
As King began his argument for the new congressional boundaries Monday afternoon, about 30 Democrats in the gallery donned white socks as hand puppets to mock King. Every time he spoke, the little white mouths flapped.
TEXAS REDISTRICTING--Vote TONIGHT!
Race rhetoric stokes Texas redistricting fire
Tension may soar as map debate hits House floor - Texas redistricting
House panel quickly passes Republican redistricting plan -
map likely to unseat six Democrats
New GOP map restores (Rep. Martin Frost's) district
Republicans pull proposed map - redistricting
Chamber of Commerce and GI Forum Hire Temps to Testify
The Great Texas Power Grab - redistricting
Tx Democrats Trying Fight, Not Flight, Over Districts
I think we're more vulnerable to the charge that the GOP might pick up 68% of the congressional seats while getting about 55% of the popular vote in the state. There's a lot of precedent allowing that, but I think we're vulnerable to charges of overreaching. The Pennsylvania case will tell us a lot.
The US Supreme Court case which upheld partisan gerrymandering is Davis v. Bandemer (1986).
I agree with that. I am in the 14th district, and have voted for him gladly. I don't always agree with his stand on some things. But.."There are few people in public life who, through thick and thin, rain or shine, stick to their principles. Ron Paul is one of those few." and I happily will vote for him again. (and besides, he sends me a birthday card every year. :)
You are assuming a best case scenario of 22 R's and 10 D's; a seven seat pick up for Pubbies. I don't see it, but I don't have access to the software they use for such things. Pretty sophisticated I hear. A more likely scenario would be a 5 seat pick up initially, yielding roughly a 62% share; well within precedent set by Dims.
In any case, there are still no guarantees of how it will all shake out; redistricting itself may change voting patterns.
Probably would be better stated as "...may change voter bahavior"? Point being, not even our map drawers can be certain of the outcome. I'm sure they have gone through the best case/worst case thing many times.
And because of your tireless efforts, you get two! Babs Mikulski and HRC.