[Behind Liberal Lines]

When did calling someone's religion "antiquated" and "fringe" become "fair and balanced"?

This Roger Friedman has got to go.

[Behind Liberal Lines]

ping

[Blood of Tyrants]

To the liberals, any church that insists on using the bible is "antiquated" and "fringe".

[Brian Mosely]

Apparently, he's quite the liar too... Amazing that one movie about Christ among all the vile garbage that Hollywood and the networks produce can cause some folks to lose it.

[ClearCase_guy]

Holy Family rejects the universally accepted teachings

Perhaps "widely accepted" would have been a better phrase.

And when will Islam or wahhabism be spoken of with such disdain? "This primitive, backward, and bloodthirsty variant of Islam is quite popular among the leaders of our so-called ally Saudi Arabia." You don't see it often put like that. But I guess its OK to badmouth Christian tradition.

[Guillermo]

Faux Skews.

[HitmanLV]

You are right he has to go, but there are better reasons than his use of 'antiquated' and 'fringe,' which I think apply in this case, though the word use is more prejudicial than insightful. Nope, the author is a pretty poor writer...

Holy Family rejects the universally accepted teachings of the Second Vatican Conference and chooses to stick with antiquated Catholic ideology.

How could the teachings of Vatican 2 be 'universally accepted' if in the same sentence he says that this church in particular rejects some of those teachings? It can't be 'universally accepted' if one group doesn't accept them. This reads like a sentence in a first draft of a high school newspaper article, which a smart faculty supervisor or senior class editor would fix.

I think the quality in writing on balance in the major media outlets has really plummeted in the last 20 years or so. On the other hand, the writers are the best and brightest ever - they have told me so. ;-)

[sinkspur]

When did calling someone's religion "antiquated" and "fringe" become "fair and balanced"?

Technically, Gibson's church is "fringe," since it is not in union with the Los Angeles archdiocese and is outside the Catholic mainstream.

[af_vet_1981]

Mel Gibson is a public figure on his personal crusade to make a monumental religious movie. His life is open to scrutiny. He is a movie star, a director, and now a prominent religious figure.

[steplock]

write the slut-fest promoters at fox:

foxlife@foxnews.com

...fringe church...
...his own personal church near Malibu...
...antiquated Catholic ideology...

I am not one of those religious "nuts" but I am truly believing that the Book of Revelations is in the final process

[philosofy123]

They hate Christians, specially the ones that are not Christian in name only. If you take your Christianity seriously, you become a target, especially in a godless town like Hollywood.

[keats5]

I'm not Catholic, but my roots are Irish Cathloic, as are my husband's. During family get togethers, my Catholic relations frequently express anger over the Vatican II changes. I have to think this must be a common opinion among mainline Catholics.

[Just mythoughts]

This has now gone beyond absurd. Liberals commonly uses churches to hold political fundraisers which is illegal.

What evil the media has become to suggest Mel's money is funding evil.

The media ignores liberals taking "red Chinese" money to fund their campaigns.

I am not Catholic, however, this assault upon Mel's freedom of religion should show what Christians are up against.
Liberals and their mouth pieces have gone "MAD" no big deal about in your face law breaking among the perverts of the world selling fake papers in San Francisco.

[GraniteStateConservative]

None of this will hurt the box office of the movie.

[KriegerGeist]

"But what you may not know is that Gibson has also put up $5.1 million so far to run his own personal church near Malibu."

Ever heard of tithing? Apparently Mel Gibson has:

Malachi 3:8-12

8. "Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings.
9. "You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you!
10."Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.
11. "Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes," says the LORD of hosts.
12."All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the LORD of hosts.

[KriegerGeist]

ping.

[Savage Beast]

Nothing is more subversive than Jesus Christ and His truth. In fact, nothing is more subversive than truth.

This has always been the case, and it is today.

Nothing incites people to fury more than the subversion of their illusions--especially when they are subverted by confrontation with truth. People will kill to prevent truth from threatening their illusions.

Notice how "Liberals" recoil in horror and anger when faced with truth.

Present the truth, and you could well find yourself crucified.

[MamaTexan]

Gibson has also put up $5.1 million so far to run his own personal church near Malibu.

And if the church was the Celebration of the Divinity of Celebrity Belly-Button Lint, they'd be kissing his butt.

It's amazing how the media crucifies people that don't share their ideology!

[ZULU]

Vatican II did almost as much to fracture the Catholic Church as the Reformation did. It led to large numbers of Catholics leaving the Church, and encouraged radicalism in countries like the U.S. where rogue priests and bishops took it as a signal to allow them to tread the paths of heresy.

A Church is more than a belief system. Its also a continuity of traditions and various symbolic trappings. Vatican II eviscerated all these from the Catholic Church and Catholics even today are impacted by it.

The church needed to update its image. Treating other Christians and Jews like second class human beings was one of the things which needed to go. But ripping out altar rails, removing religious statues, turning around the altar, introducing "profane" music to services, and ending the Latin and the Tridentine Mass, destroyed a lot of the majesty of that faith.

I still feel a little unconfortable about Gibson and his feelings towards non-Catholic Christians and Jews. I keep vacillating between thinking he is being unjustly tarred and feathered, and believeing he is a closet anti-Semite.

I imagine time will eventually reveal where he really stands.

Modern day Prostant Churches are not immune from religious revisionism. While the Catholic Church has problems resulting from the points enumerated above, many main stream Protestant Churches have also strayed into the uncharted waters of heresy.

The "Good News" Bibles are atrocious. The "Good News" wording can't compare with the majesty of the King James Bible, and it seems to me that great liberties have been taken with these revised versions with respect to actual content. Sure, the wording in King James is archaic. but its still ENGLISH. If you're too lazy to take the time to check out the meanings of the few archaic terms which can't be inferred from context, you're probably too lazy to care much about your beliefs one way or the other.

The Catholic CHurch has been plagued by homosexual paedophilic priests. Some Protestant Churches actually have ordained these creatures, and performed "marriages" between them. A lot of Protestant Churches have strayed from using the Bible as the primary source of their faith - one of the main inducements for the Reformation in the first place.

Organized Christian Religions are in a sad state and the impending threat of Islam and Islamofacism, along with the atheization of American society bodes ill for the Christian faith.

[TradicalRC]

Gee, isn't FOX considered "conservative"?
Hint: neo-conservatism is neither.

[kcvl]

It was such a secret that it took me less than a minute to find this...



New church planned for Mulholland in rural Agoura

By John Loesing
Acorn Staff Writer

January 17, 2002

A Catholic group known as the Holy Family Chapel wants to build a new church in rural Agoura.

If approved by the Los Angeles Department of Regional Planning, the 9,310 square-foot, two-story church would be constructed at 30188 W. Mulholland Highway, between Sierra Creek and Kanan roads.

Also located on the 17-acre site in the scenic Santa Monica hills is a smaller, 30-year-old church currently undergoing renovation.

Although not affiliated with the Vatican, Holy Family Chapel observes traditional Catholic doctrine, practices and customs. Sunday mass is conducted in Latin.

The A.P. Reilly Foundation, a private organization, is funding the project. The estimated costs of the new church and renovation of the older one weren’t available.

"Some people were curious as to what the A.P. Reilly Foundation was, what kind of church it was. There was some confusion about that," said Patricia Lin, a Los Angeles County staff planner who attended a Dec. 12 public hearing on the project.

The area is zoned residential, but churches are allowed if they get a conditional use permit.

Planning commissioners tabled their decision to issue a permit until Feb. 13 and directed the foundation to clarify the church’s operations and respond to community questions.

A community meeting on the project is scheduled for 7 p.m. tonight at Seminole Park on Mulholland Highway.

The parish serves Conejo Valley, West San Fernando Valley and Malibu and currently has 70 parishioners.

The new building includes a 256-seat sanctuary and a 40-seat chapel. The existing church has a 170-seat assembly area that will be used for discussion groups.

"Their plan is not to have a huge church there. However, neighbors are concerned it will grow because the church is built on such a site where it can grow to a few hundred people," Lin said.

Tim Riley, a land-use consultant for A.P. Reilly, doubts that will happen.

"They expect some growth but not explosive growth because it’s kind of a specialized area of the Catholic belief," Riley said.

In addition to Mass on Sundays, the church will observe the six Holy Days of Obligation. It also expects about a dozen special events during the calendar year such as weddings, funerals, picnics, a St. Patrick’s Day celebration and a youth day.

Architects and landscape designers hope to give the buildings and the grounds the look of a California mission. Documents reportedly indicate that Spanish missionaries actually visited the site at the time they were founding their missions.

The church has three full-time employees; two of them live in a caretaker’s residence on the site.