Posted on 07/31/2004 3:18:06 PM PDT by Patrick Madrid
Catholic canon lawyer Peter Vere and I have co-authored a new book critiquing the claims and controversies of extreme traditionalism that will come out in September, published by Our Sunday Visitor Publishing.
Written in a popular and accessible style, More Catholic Than the Pope provides a detailed analysis of and response to common arguments raised by extreme traditionalist Catholics (in particular, adherents of the Society of St. Pius X) against the Second Vatican Council, Pope John Paul II, the fact that the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre committed a schismatic act by illicitly ordaining four bishops in 1988, and more. Chapters include a history of the SSPX, a background on the controversy between the SSPX and the so-called "Conciliar Church," and answers to several standard canon-law and historical arguments often raised by extreme traditionalists.
Our hope is that, by God's grace, the evidence presented in this new 224-page book will inform, encourage, and strengthen Catholics who have been shaken or confused by the misguided arguments raised against the Catholic Church by some extreme traditionalists and, with regard to those who have adopted a schismatic mindset, that this book will help them recognize the errors of extreme traditionalist groups, help them to see why they should abandon those errors, and help them come home to the Catholic Church.
Additional details on More Catholic Than the Pope will be available soon at Envoy Encore weblog.
Me? Heavens no. I'm a Calvinistic Baptist. So I'd consider myself a little "c" catholic.
It sounds like you have been shaken or confused by the misguided arguments raised against the Catholic Church by some extreme traditionalists.
Who needs baptism?
It's not slander, it's fact.
Ask Madrid, Vere or Soyna.
Msgr Perle is a notorious tradition-hater. The bit about the "schismatic mentality" is a cover for Rome's unjust and punitive assumption about traditionalist schism in the first place. It never actually existed except in the fevered imagination of the modernist Vatican in its hot pursuit of anyone clinging to Catholic Tradition, the SSPX in particular. Nobody else in fact much bothered Rome--neither pederasts nor apostates at the highest level. Instead, in its deluded hostility to Tradition, it confused genuine Catholicism with opposition to the heterodox Pontiff himself. It still thinks this way. But traditionalists are not about to mix the fullness of the Catholic faith with politically correct New Church novelties for the sake of being well-thought of by the likes of Msgr. Perle and the Vatican bureaucracy.
From all available evidence, you haven't
But I'm relieved to see you admit the possibility of salvation for those not formally incorporated in the visible Church. This is progress.
We all do.
"Could you imagine what problems he may have arranging speaking engagements were he to author a book critical of the Left that controls the institutional church in America."
It would be all she wrote.
Look, the guy may have a licentiate--but his history is quirky and makes him out to be something other than admirable. One can well understand why SSPX superiors might not have wanted to take a chance on him, once they learned of his background--and why he may have resented this. One can also understand why the SSPX-haters like him so much, since he is so usable for their own ends. This being the case, why should we care what he has to say about traditionalist Catholics?
Great!
Really? I always thought answers to questions statements like this would only be known at the Final Judgment.
He makes decisions concerning the status of traditional Catholics in relation to the Church,
This thread is about a new book coming out soon (if not already). I presume your statement is about such. Have you actually already read the book?
and convinces other morons to do the same.
If they make decisions about a book by not reading it first, then maybe "morons" isn't such pejorative term for them.
He's a layman, who wrote a book.
yet acting the magisterium's part.
I doubt this to be true of Patrick Madrid. His reputation precludes this statement as a thought of first instance. No one should consider it before the book is read. I would guess that this book documents the magisterial teaching and laws of the Catholic Church so others can reference them.
Hey kiddies, I got an idea. Why don't we read Mr. Madrid's and Mr. Veres' arguments first before making ridiculous
...statements
This thread is a blatant advertisement by a self-promoting author.
What's your problem? I know little about Peter Vere. 'NYer' asked you for some documentation. Nothing galling about that.
From what others have stated in the thread, Vere apparently belonged to a satanist ring at some point in his life and his girlfriend got pregnant and had an abortion. Pretty serious stuff, that.
I presume he went through the whole conversion/repentance thing. I presume it is public knowledge and he probably has "witnessed" the story many times through various media.
Are you implying that he still, even now, approves of these serious sins? Why is his Catholic Faith called into question by your "quotation marks"?
If not, why bring it up in your response - the response - to 'NYer' implying that she too supports these sins? It did not address the points she made in her post.
Last Tuesday,or so,you told us about your Dad,who had terminal cancer and you asked for advice about taking him off life support. You were going to visit him and talk to the doctors on Friday or Saturday and go back home on Monday or Tuesday. It seems you are home but I have not heard a thing about your Dad. How is he doing? I hope he was conscious and you and he were able to talk and visit and tell each other things you may have thought could be saved for a later date. Please let us know what's going on,many of us have been praying.
You say that as if it were necessarily a bad thing. Gee, if I were to write a book about a topic that a certain segment of people discussed weekly, I'd probably go to the place they were at and do the same thing.
I'd expect most of them would appreciate that fact.
"His girlfriend had the abortion when the two of them were satanists, not a part of any Church."
Oh, well that makes it OK then.
Then why do you defend him?
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