Posted on 03/21/2005 6:30:05 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
come on, don't ya know the Jews have 4,000 years of history compared to your measley 2,000.
spoken as the true suppercessionist that you seem to be.
He did? Did He tell you that? Was it like God sort of left the picture during the crusades and inquisitions? Please explain.
Sure they can be inconsistent. And I don't even belong to either of those groups. I don't even hate you. You are special. If somebody disagrees with you its hate or anti-catholic. You're wound up tight dude.
I'd also recommend Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea.
Best....
Thanx. I've read Maccoby's "Mythmaker", The Apostle Paul's invention of Christianity. Very good book.
Hail, O virgin Theotokos, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, for thou hast borne the savior and redeemer of our souls.
Matthew does not include Mary in the narrative at the cross. Mark does not include Mary. Luke does not inlude Mary. She is not named as being at the cross in 3 out of 4 gospels....hence the reviewers comment that these omissions hardly justify her cult following. You are choosing to read her presence into their accounts. She is not mentioned. My inclination is to think she would have been there...but that is not in the synoptic accounts....hence the "cult" comment. (OTOH, if you consider Mary, mother of James, to be the same as the "Virgin Mary", then she was mentioned. But then you run into trouble in other ways.)
Regarding: "1) Again: There is no inconsistency, and 2) The information surrounding Mary is perfectly sufficient to justify the hyperdulia which over a billion Christians accord her: a) She is the Mother of God; b) She was present at the most significant moments of the Gospel; c) She is repeatedly called "blessed" and "blessed among women", even from God's own lips; d) She is never recorded sinning, but always is a paragon of Christian virtue; e) She was the first human being to believe that Jesus was the Christ; f) She was one of only 13 people present at Pentecost; g) If she had said "no" to God, all humanity would have been lost; h) Alone among Christian saints, Tradition dictates that she was assumed bodily into Heaven after death; i) The Revelation of John teaches that she is inextricably linked with the 2nd Coming of Christ; j) She has appeared in many apparitions and miracles since her Son's Ascension, attested to by many non-Christian, atheist and even anti-Christian witnesses."
1)We disagree about consistency. 2)Protestants and anyone else outside of Catholicism would disagree. a)She is the mother of God for those who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. b)she is not specifically mentioned in the first 3 gospel accounts w/regard to the cross. She is not mentioned after the resurrection, which the Pope seemed to find noteworthy. c)"Repeatedly"? Anywhere besides twice in the Gospel of Luke? (neither of which is from "God's lips" BTW) d)There is very little biblical info about her at all. Because we are not told about the sins of certain biblical characters does not make them sinless. e) She must have been unaware in Luke 2:39 - 50. f) Do we venerate the other 12 in the same way? g)That's according to those who believe the virgin birth story, which has, at least, another postful of problems associated with it. h) I know..it's a catholic thing, i) refresh me on that one j)Many people claim to see apparitions of all kinds of things.
Yes, it is very sad.
Pain and beauty in this life are inextricable.
Have you noticed a marked increase in the attacks on the Blessed Mother lately?
The remedy to Original Sin being, of course, born of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Yet still, the right-wing-liberal Americanist Catholics can't seem to perceive the engine which drives our present crisis... can't see past the lies of theories of invincible ignorance which in and of themselves arise out of a denial or suppression of the reality of Original Sin. Illustrating yet again that the children of this world are wiser in their generation than the children of light.
"I am at your side and within you, provided that your faith is the light which shines upon you in these unhappy days. May your zeal make you famished for the glory and the honor of Jesus Christ. Fight, children of light, you, the few who can see. For now is the time of all times, the end of all ends."
O Mary, conceived without Original Sin, pray for us sinners who have recourse to thee.
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