"The Passion" by Geza Vermes

Times Online ^ | March 20, 2005 | Peter Stanford

[Invincibly Ignorant]

G-d "left the picture" of Jewish history after about 135 AD in the sense that the visible finger of G-d in Jewish national history became invisible.

Tell that to Mamonides and the Kabbalists. So answer me, did God tell you this? Where does this ill-informed revelation come from?

No united Jewish political group appears to have emerged, save for the quixotic and much-disputed Khazars, in the 1900 years hence, until the beginning of the Zionist movement.

Man you're ignorant.

G-d did maintain the Jewish people as a discernible entity,

Thank goodness. They survived people with attitudes such as yours that tried for 2,000 years to snuff them out.

but this need not be attributed to His direct intervention in Jewish medieval history, but to the Wisdom of His Law.

But perhaps I'm wrong about all this.

Perhaps? Lol. I guess.

[murphE]

O Mary, conceived without Original Sin, pray for us sinners who have recourse to thee.

...and for all those who do not have recourse to thee, especially the enemies of the Church.

[te lucis]

"Satan also spreads perplexity and disorder in minds by introducing confusion between Anti-Semitism, which is the detestable hatred of the Jews as a race, and the duty incumbent upon Catholics of combating valiantly for the integral rights of Christ the King and opposing Jewish Naturalism. We see this clearly in the following quotation from the Jewish writer Bernard Lazare":

“The Jew is the living testimony of the disappearance of the State based on theological principles, that state which the Anti-Semites hope to restore. From the day a Jew first occupied a public position, the Christian State was in danger. That is perfectly accurate and the Anti-Semites who say that the Jews have destroyed the correct idea of the State could more justly assert that the entrance of the Jews into Christian Society has symbolized the destruction of the State, I mean, of course, the Christian State” (L’Antisémitisme, p. 361).

from The Kingship of Christ and the Conversion of the Jewish Nation by Fr Denis Fahey

Imprimi Potest:P. O'CARROLL, C.S.Sp., Praep. Prov. Hib.
Nihil Obstat: JACOBUS BROWNE, Censor Deputatus.
Imprimatur: †JACOBUS, Episcopus Fernensis. die 26 januarii 1953

[te lucis]

[malakhi]

who claim false things about Our Lady, thereby insulting her and her divine Son.

Pointing out that three of the gospels do not report her presence is a simple statement of fact.

OTOH, it is my opinion that "Mary the mother of James" is also the mother of Jesus, so that would mean that Mark and Matthew do report her presence there.

[murphE]

it is my opinion that "Mary the mother of James" is also the mother of Jesus

Well, you would be in error then.

[malakhi]

God's Hand in the Catholic Church is visible in her vigorous and successful survival

A Muslim would make the claim that God was behind the rise of Islam, and the success of its rapid spread.

Truth is not determined by the number of people who adhere to a certain set of beliefs.

[malakhi]

What military victories did Maimonides and the Kabbalists win?

Truth is determined by military success?

[malakhi]

Well, you would be in error then.

In your opinion, sure.

[te lucis]

In your opinion, sure.

His truth, her truth, your truth. What is truth, really?

[malakhi]

In this case, that's a matter of faith, isn't it?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Supercessionist is an invented term meaning a Christian who is anti-Semitic by virtue of believing in the Christian Bible.

His definition, not mine. You can be supercessionist and not anti-semitic. Just because promises made to Israel are claimed by gentile believers doesn't mean you have hatred for Jews. Anymore than disagreeing with a catholic makes me anti-catholic.

You still haven't addressed numberous points I've made on the subject

Name one.

Sure. You keep ignoring me when I ask you if God told you He left the Jewish "picture" (whatever that is) after the 1st century.

We've been over this before. Earlier, you wrote: spoken as the true suppercessionist that you seem to be.

I addressed this above. His definition, not mine. Compared to Catholecism, we don't all have to be on the same page.

If I'm a disengenuous troll you're a disengenuousa------

The Truth is raining in!

Hey we agree on something.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I don't know if He did or not.

Which is it? First you say he "left the Jewish picture" and know you don't know whether he did or not.