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(Vanity) Seen or heard news on a Virgin Mary statue in Califorina crying tears of blood?

Posted on 11/25/2005 5:48:28 PM PST by Rosary

What's the story on this anyone have a link on this?


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1 posted on 11/25/2005 5:48:29 PM PST by Rosary
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To: Rosary; .30Carbine; Kitty Mittens; Salvation; Peach; pbrown; LUV W; ohioWfan

What do you think dear friends? thank you all


2 posted on 11/25/2005 5:57:53 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Credite amori vera dicenti - Believe love is speaking the truth. (St. Jerome)")
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To: All; Sidebar Moderator

http://www.nbc11.com/news/5391123/detail.html

http://www.turnto10.com/news/5391123/detail.html?rss=pro&psp=news


http://www.news10.net/storyfull.asp?id=14400

thank you


3 posted on 11/25/2005 6:00:02 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Credite amori vera dicenti - Believe love is speaking the truth. (St. Jerome)")
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To: anonymoussierra

Here's more:

http://www.sacbee.com/content/news/story/13900010p-14738665c.html


4 posted on 11/25/2005 6:04:19 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Domestic Church

thank you dear good friend"Domestic Church"


5 posted on 11/25/2005 6:05:55 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Credite amori vera dicenti - Believe love is speaking the truth. (St. Jerome)")
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To: Rosary

If I was a statue ,I would be crying too! Crying because you were looking at me for answers and not to God.


6 posted on 11/25/2005 6:07:29 PM PST by scottro (Cling to Jesus and to His promises.....)
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To: Rosary



Let us ponder
the depths of love
in the promise
given so long ago.

A virgin,
the Virgin,
pure container,
she who stood
in spiritual opposition
to Eve, the one who said NO,
she,
the one who said yes,
A virgin who would conceive
and bear a son.

Emmanuel,
God with us,
miracle of miracles,
that he who was master
emptied himself
to become servant,
incarnation,
taking on of flesh,
feeling our needs,
our pain,
our hopes
our fears
to love,
to suffer,
to die
to save.

Outstretched are your arms,
Beloved Master,
to take us in
in love,
God with us,
now and forever,
Amen.


7 posted on 11/25/2005 6:24:19 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: scottro
You poor soul, you just don't know any better.

When Catholics build statues, and paint pictures, of the Lord Jesus and His Blessed Mother, they honor and worship the greatness of God by their hard work, making their work a prayer.

When a Catholic kneels before a statue or a painting of the Blessed Mother, and sighs happily, and closes his eyes in the joyful peace of contemplation, he is not worshiping that statue. He is praising the Greatness of God which created such a beautiful thing as the Blessed Mother, who is remembered to us by the statue.

It is only natural that you would not know this. For Protestants, (and I am assuming you are one,) "worshiping" consists only in singing songs, kneeling and praying, and that sort of thing. So when you see Catholics singing songs about the Virgin Mary, and kneeling and praying to her, you think we are worshiping her.

But for Catholics, worship has a sacrificial aspect. Our highest form of worship is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. We do not make the Holy Sacrifice to the Virgin Mary. We only make that Sacrifice to God the Father.

I know you did not mean to insult Catholics. You simply didn't know any better. If I was confused about Catholicism, and I thought Catholics worshiped the Virgin Mary or her statue, and yet I heard Catholics claiming to be Christians, then I would be angry too.
8 posted on 11/25/2005 7:12:54 PM PST by Lilllabettt
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To: scottro

You know that people don't pray to statues. They are praying to that saint, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Sacred Heart of Jesus or whomevery to INTERCEDE for them with Christ and with God the Father.

Please stop your Catholic bashing -- telling only part of the story.


9 posted on 11/25/2005 7:24:04 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Rosary
This article mentions it. (Also a picture)

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WHEN MAIL COMES, OUT POUR ACCOUNTS OF SIGNS, COINCIDENCE, AND TIME SPEEDING UP

By Michael H. Brown

Let us head for the mailbag, with a number of issues to which we must tend. First of all, happenstance:

Many are the ways God communicates, and one of them -- as mentioned a few weeks ago -- is through coincidence. So clear are some such signs that there are those who have dubbed them "God-incidences."

And such they are -- little things in our lives and sometimes not so little things that seem like God winking at us. Or giving us a nudge.

Only when we are with Him in eternity will we understand the reason for limitation on such hints. Why doesn't the Lord just tell us?

Instead, we may be contemplating something and suddenly a book with relevant information happens to catch our eyes or falls right out of a shelf -- as happened to one correspondent who was connected to St. Therese the Little Flower and found a book on the saint that all but jumped at her as she walked the aisle of a store, actually falling at her feet.

When another viewer named Margaret Sciarrino of Bridgewater, New Jersey, was in the midst of great suffering -- asking where God was and reading the Bible as her mother lay terminally ill -- she happened to open to the passage where an angel appears to Joseph and tells him to take Mary as his wife -- that there will be a Son Who should be named "Emmanuel," which means "God with us" [Matthew 1:23].

"At that time I was getting assistance from a health-care aide three times a week," Margaret recalls. "And that afternoon there was a new woman who had come. After she knocked on the door, I let her in and brought her over to my mother. When I asked her her name, she stated 'Emmanuella'! It was like I was knocked over the head with a two-by-four from God -- that He was telling me He was with us, in the midst of this suffering, in the midst of this love.  She suffered so much to the point that I prayed for him to take her.  She died on my birthday, May 11." 

When it comes to "coincidence," we may suddenly find a card with an address we were looking for or receive an e-mail at a unique and unforgettable moment. It's how God works. He is in control of everything. Often, He is gradual. Little things add to big ones.

What about signs in the sky? We had an article on that and many believe they have seen them. Even today (11/22/05), the Mass reading includes the words, "There will be powerful earthquakes, famines, and plagues from place to place; and awesome sights and mighty signs will come from the sky.” 

They may not yet be mighty, but they are frequent. Folks tell us they believe something is unusual about the skyscape.

"I've noticed signs in the sky ever since the early Nineties when I came to understand about the end times and all the sun miracles, etcetera, that were reported back then," says a woman named L. Jenkinson. "Several times when I've personally felt hopeless or down, God has shown me His sign of hope -- rainbows at the very time I needed them. I've noticed a strange, pink-and-blue bright spot in the skies, several times poking through clouds and one time, very startlingly, in a cloudless sky over a field (at an apparition site).  I felt  these showed the existence of angels and were always edifying. I've noticed the moon is so strange at times -- either larger of brighter or orangey or very low. I've noticed  pillars of clouds, either gray or white, which I know have been associated with God's Presence. And because I'm blessed to have some of my existence focused on the supernatural during my daily routine, I've noticed that I see the days, sunny or stormy, as though there's a kind of haze or increased disintegrating or muddying of the outlines of the scenes. Is it because I know that life as we know it is slowly dissolving or disintegrating or hazed with sin?" 

Others see strange smoke trails in the sky, and wonder what kind of mystery that presents -- human or Godly. For the most part, it continues to be the solar phenomena.

"I live in Catskill, New York," says a woman named Pat. "Friday, November 18, my aunt and friend went across town on their way to the store.  When she got back she reported to me that they had seen something most unusual. The sun was positioned in the sky and since it was almost sunset it was low and they were headed towards it when they noticed what looked like another sun to the right of the first sun towards the northwest.  It was bright and gave off light  but it seemed to have a red rim around it.  My aunt watches the sky all the time and this stunned her." 

"We live in Iowa, and over the last year we have seen clouds shaped as crosses in the sky and particularly one cross close to sunset complete with the corpus of Christ," asserts Marylin Gibson from the town of Madrid. "That was in July.  Also, when my husband and I were driving, we saw a perfect number '3' in the eastern sky.  There were no other clouds around it; it was a cloud, a darker gray, perfectly formed."

During Hurricane Wilma, there are those who saw a perfect "2" in the center of radar images of the storm's eye. It was on TV. Other signs were connected with the storm surge [left] from Hurricane Katrina, including the remarkable survival of statues.

Fascinating it is that we now get reports of an image of Jesus that appeared on a plant pot right after yet another hurricane devastated the Caribbean island of Cozumel.

"A receptionist at the Occidental Grand resort noticed the image likened to Jesus' face as shaken guests emerged from a storm shelter after huddling for three days while the hurricane hurled rain and debris," notes a news report.

There were also reported phenomena during World Youth Day in Germany.

"I have searched for hours trying to find any information about what I am sure I saw at the Saturday vigil," wrote a young reader who asked to remain anonymous. "I was at Marienfeld with my group, and we set up camp in front of one of the big screens so that we could watch everything that was happening. During the Eucharistic Adoration I and about four other people in our group are sure we saw something in the Host in the monstrance. I can only properly speak for myself, but what I saw looked like flesh and blood, and later I believe I saw the face of Christ. When the Holy Father blessed the crowd with the monstrance, the Host looked normal. But the camera gave a final shot of the monstrance before the Blessed Sacrament was removed, and again I saw what appeared to be flesh and blood, and then a face. The others in my group who saw something as well all looked at each other, and those who didn’t see it questioned us about it. The priest in our group did not see it, but told us that we should thank God for what we saw."

Signs and more of them.

In Sacramento, it is currently alleged that a statue is bleeding.

And then there are those who believe that time has sped up -- that the minutes, hours, and days are flying by in a way that transcends normality; they claim that children are also complaining about it (this we get from teachers), proving that it is not simply a matter of age.

Writes Jenny Mootie from Trinidad of a coincidence that tied everything together:

"I arrived at work and a co-worker said 'something is alarming me these days and I don't know how to explain but seems to me that time is rushing by. It is as if  five minutes are no long five minutes or an hour not really sixty minutes. The weeks and months seem to fly by.' I was amazed because I myself have been completely mystified by the passage of time within recent years and even more so in the last couple months. In fact, in recent times I have been sitting with my 82-year-old father discussing the same thing, the extreme swiftness of the passage of time.

"While discussing this strange topic" -- added Jenny -- "I signed on to Spirit Daily and the headline was: 'A Watch Lost in Gulf is Found Four Miles Away.' I am reminded that the Bible says that in the last days time will be shortened [see 1 Corinthians 7:29]."

"Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short," adds Matthew 24:22.

And was it not in Joel that it said there would be signs in the moon and sun?

Is time speeding up? Are we all being asked to intercede, especially in the middle of the night? Are there really signs to see in the sky?

"I know this sounds crazy -- but three nights ago, I saw one large shooting star, followed by another one the following night," said another reader. "Last night my husband told me he had just seen a large shooting star as well.  If nothing else -- they are beautiful to see!"

[photo above left is statue in Sacramento said to be tearing]


10 posted on 11/25/2005 7:31:46 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Please stop your Catholic bashing

Why are you being uncivil towards that poster? He has undoubtly seen Catholics kneeling before statues and praying to them, or seeming to. According to the Bible that is wrong. So why attack him for his Christian beliefs?

11 posted on 11/25/2005 7:41:24 PM PST by Full Court (Keepers at home, not just a suggestion)
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To: Full Court

"Uncivil"?! How about you non Catholics being civil for a change. BTW, where does it say in the bible that we can't show respect and love to the mother of Jesus Christ? I suggest you go back and read the Blessed Mother's MAGNIFICAT.


12 posted on 11/25/2005 7:55:59 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: Full Court

Why are you and scottro making assumptions? Could it be due to ignorance or simply incivility?


13 posted on 11/25/2005 7:58:52 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Lady In Blue
As Agustine wrote: 'liberty in the non-essentials, unity in the essentials, and charity to all' ... nonetheless kneeling down in front of images and statues gives me the creeps:

Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

If God, our Father, took the time to write this with his own finger on tablets of stone - I will do my utmost to obey ... But I'll grant you that different denominations have their own unique ways of worship. Just remember what is important: We are all sinners in desperate of a Saviour -- and through God's love and mercy he sent us His only begotten Son to shed is blood that we might be clean. Just come and believe on our Lord Jesus...

14 posted on 11/25/2005 8:15:44 PM PST by El Cid
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To: Lady In Blue

Once again, those who KNOW better than anybody else about church history, holiness, the workings of the Holy Spirit, the organization of the church, the transmission of the Bible and Christian charity decide they have to come swooping down to troll those evil, horrid Catholics while they ignore everything said to them.

Yep.

It doesn't matter if their beliefs lead them to pound each other and splinter because each of them KNOWS.

It doesn't matter what the history books say, or what the early Christians actually believedd, because they KNOW.

It doesn't matter that they all KNOW slightly different versions of the truth and that they will fight endlessly over those shades of meaning, because they KNOW.

And because they KNOW they feel it gives them the right to come to threads where they have no intention of commenting on the matter at hand, except to hijack it so they can reinforce how GOOD and RIGHTEOUS they are by verbally pounding the Catholics over things they KNOW are wrong, no matter if those things have been believed by the Church since the days of St. Paul.

But the unwarranted persecution should remind us that we are walking in the Lord's path. "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you. " our Lord tells us.

O Lord,
you who are there
when we trip in our hubris
and taste the dust of our own self-delusion,
you who are love and mercy
even though we deserve the dark waters of death,
you who reach out
even when all others turn their backs,
lead us ever to your light,
and may we in the end,
rest, at home,
in the hand of your love.




15 posted on 11/25/2005 8:44:01 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Full Court
He has undoubtly seen Catholics kneeling before statues and praying to them, or seeming to. According to the Bible that is wrong. So why attack him for his Christian beliefs?

Yes, this is what I am talking about. The poor man thinks Catholics pray to statues, because it seems that way to him. He doesn't know that the Catholic Church condemns such silliness.

That is the first point of ecumenism, I think. First we've got be clear on the reality of what everyone actually believes, before we can begin to discuss the rightness or wrongness of those beliefs.
16 posted on 11/25/2005 8:57:51 PM PST by Lilllabettt
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To: scottro; Full Court

YOU TWO!!!!! Quit pointing out things that annoy Roman Catholics!!

But, if you insist on continuing, here's a good thought provoker:

If Mary can hear the prayers of thousands of people around the world at the same moment, then she is omnipresent, and therefore is equal with God.

BUT WAIT!! If we can pray to her anywhere in the world, at any time, then why bother having a graven image at all? She has been made to look like a thousand different women, which one does she really look like? (short, tall, thin, full figured, blue-eyed, brown-eyed, brown hair, black hair, etc.)

In conclusion: And remember, you two! Even though there is NO instance in the NT where JESUS or HIS APOSTLES ever instructed us to pray to anyone that has passed on from this life (except the Lord), that doesn't matter. With The RCC, the NT is a 'living document'(able to be updated by 'tradition').

It is so wonderful to simply 'dial direct', and 'take it to the Lord in prayer'. Works for me, and a whole lot of other folks, praise God.


17 posted on 11/25/2005 10:36:27 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: scottro
If I was a statue ,I would be crying too! Crying because you were looking at me for answers and not to God.

Aw, poor little braindead Protestant.
18 posted on 11/26/2005 5:11:21 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Full Court
Why are you being uncivil towards that poster? He has undoubtly seen Catholics kneeling before statues and praying to them, or seeming to. According to the Bible that is wrong. So why attack him for his Christian beliefs?

Step out of your Protestant shoes for a moment and get some perspective. No one likes having their beliefs demeaned. I'm sure you don't. Catholics are generally just tired of being peppered on every thread by some silly, debunked Protestant strawman that Protestants either don't know or don't care about the answer to.

We'll stop being "uncivil" (and if you wanna see uncivil, that post wasn't it) when you guys stop pissing all over our threads.
19 posted on 11/26/2005 5:13:47 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Zuriel

So clueless...


20 posted on 11/26/2005 5:14:45 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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