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1 posted on 04/01/2006 7:37:24 PM PST by churchillbuff
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People don't like the Bible because it says things they don't like. It's not that they can't figure it what's in the Bible, hey just disagree. It's easy to hide behind the cult of, 'my personal interpretation' is different and who are you to say.


3 posted on 04/01/2006 7:40:52 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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I guess the good Rev. never learned how to read.


5 posted on 04/01/2006 7:41:31 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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Oh, I guess Jesus was wrong, then. Thanks for clearing that up for me, Rev.


6 posted on 04/01/2006 7:41:58 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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In the good news of universalism, God is a loving God who will not rest until the entire creation is redeemed.

Creation will only be redeemed when the bad evil and sin are shut away in a place far from God's mind and memory (Hell).

God doesn't send people to Hell. They send themselves there.

8 posted on 04/01/2006 7:43:36 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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10 posted on 04/01/2006 7:45:02 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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If I were the good Reverend, I'd start a progressive swimming regimen with millstones tied around my neck.


11 posted on 04/01/2006 7:45:16 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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"In Heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here"


12 posted on 04/01/2006 7:46:00 PM PST by P.O.E.
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The Bible, both Old and New Testiment, is filled with references to Satan and Hell. How can this person make this kind of statement?


14 posted on 04/01/2006 7:47:34 PM PST by stm (You can fix a lot of things, but you can't fix stupid)
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So after we spend our lives choosing to spit in His eye He is going to make us spend eternity praising Him.

Ok.

15 posted on 04/01/2006 7:47:36 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Sign up to donate monthly and you will be automatically entered in our "Win a Bear Hug Contest")
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I don't know if it was intentional or not, but this is the FR fundraiser picture that accompanied the thread when I first looked at it....ROTFL


16 posted on 04/01/2006 7:48:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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Dear Rev: read John 14:6.


17 posted on 04/01/2006 7:49:23 PM PST by phelanw
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Is Heavan a planet?


19 posted on 04/01/2006 7:50:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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Sorry Rev, there is a hell.......and its full of Muslims and idiots like you!


20 posted on 04/01/2006 7:50:30 PM PST by Bommer
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For all my many failings, the day I wake up dead I won’t be in a cattle car on the fast train to Satan’s fiery pit. Nor will you. And neither will Old Scratch himself. If he actually exists, the devil too will be saved. In the good news of universalism, God is a loving God who will not rest until the entire creation is redeemed. All creatures will be saved. There is no hell.



Someone's in for a nasty surprise when he leaves the planet.


21 posted on 04/01/2006 7:52:07 PM PST by trubluolyguy (If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd FRIGGING MOVE THERE!)
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Reverend Forest Church, the son of Idaho’s late Senator Frank Church


23 posted on 04/01/2006 7:54:05 PM PST by kcvl
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But eternal hellfire demeans everything I believe about God

The key word in this sentence is the word "I".

24 posted on 04/01/2006 7:54:43 PM PST by plain talk
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I'm sorry, but the writer, and by extension this belief system is hopelessly infantile.

Universalists believe that God is too good to damn them

Contrary to what one might think, given my previous statement, I believe that to be a true statement.

For all my many failings, the day I wake up dead I won’t be in a cattle car on the fast train to Satan’s fiery pit. Nor will you. And neither will Old Scratch himself. If he actually exists, the devil too will be saved. In the good news of universalism, God is a loving God who will not rest until the entire creation is redeemed. All creatures will be saved. There is no hell.

This is the statement that is hopelessly stupid.  There is no "cattle car" to "Satan's fiery pit" for sure, but that isn't hell, and it never was.  Hell is, quite simply, the opposite of Heaven.  And Heaven is, quite simply, communion with God.  If we are not in communion with God then we are "in hell."

When we die we will find ourselves confronted by the reality of God without the delusions and idiotic self deception exemplified by the above statement.  I am not capable of imagining what God truly is like, no one is, but we will know exactly who God is and we will know, without the ability to hide behind forgetfullness or rationalizations, exactly how we have failed Him.  And we will be ashamed.

God is Mercy, God is Love and God forgives us.  But God is not about to let us lie, even to ourselves.  And until we get past the absolute truth of our own failures in this life we will be too ashamed to commune with our God.  We will condemn ourselves to hell, not God. 

God loves us.  God has always loved us and God will always love us.  And He gave us Jesus as proof of that, as something to hold onto when we have to confront our own failings.  We don't have to believe in Jesus to be saved by God or from God's wrath.  We are already saved and the proof of God's love is Jesus.  That's why we have to believe in Jesus, to convince ourselves to remember God's love when we must inevitably face how we have failed Him.

25 posted on 04/01/2006 7:55:09 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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If we, mere humans, can forgive unforgettable damage, can't God?

He certainly can, Pharisee. But He won't without the forgiveness of sins we receive when we acknowledge Christ as Savior.

"Let death seize them; Let them go down alive into hell, for wickedness is in their dwellings and among them." - Psalms 55:15

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." - Matthew 25:41 (Jesus' words)

"I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me." - Acts 26:17, 18 (Jesus' words to Saul, later Paul, on the Damascus Road)

26 posted on 04/01/2006 7:56:42 PM PST by Dr. Thorne
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Enjoy the education without tuition provided by the many freepers which have answered your proposition.

God says Gehenna exists; you say it doesn't. I believe God.

You are wresting the Scriptures to your own destruction.

May God give you sight and Light.


28 posted on 04/01/2006 8:02:41 PM PST by TFMcGuire
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If he actually exists, the devil too will be saved.

If he exists? I'd say that the good Reverand is rather selective in his reading of the Bible. Or maybe he forgot the parts that talk about the devil(s).

30 posted on 04/01/2006 8:13:54 PM PST by Logophile
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