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Team believes it found Noah's Ark (In Iran)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 6/30/06 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 06/30/2006 8:26:43 AM PDT by DannyTN

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To: RadioAstronomer
"I can explain SN1987 and the heartburn it gives YECs very nicely."

I'd like to know your explanation. That's the quasar or object that appears visually to be linked to a galaxy and the object and the galaxy have dramatically different redshifts right?

It might not fit in an YEC model, but the disparity certainly does raise questions of whether we understand all the factors affecting redshift. The object raises the possibility that we have significant "unknown unknowns" with regard to redshift.

141 posted on 06/30/2006 3:33:34 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Ancient Mesopotamian texts (pre-biblical) also refer to a great flood.


142 posted on 06/30/2006 3:39:58 PM PDT by reg45
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Methinks your head is exponentially larger than your spectacles.

If you are unable to grasp the implications of SN1987A, just say so. I can attempt to dumb it down to your level.

143 posted on 06/30/2006 3:48:36 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: DannyTN

I will be glad to. :-)

It will have to wait till I get out of the lab.


144 posted on 06/30/2006 3:49:16 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: RadioAstronomer
You might want to consider changing your screen name to "Sisyphus."
145 posted on 06/30/2006 3:53:06 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: editor-surveyor

Nice tagline... but shouldn't it be "Sonrise"? ;)


146 posted on 06/30/2006 4:12:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Dimensio
it is suggested that the speed of light might be slowing down

What do you think explains redshift variability best?

147 posted on 06/30/2006 5:16:18 PM PDT by GoLightly
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To: editor-surveyor
Thank you for the ping e-s.

"Ah, but we know that this cannot be, it's all a myth!"

LOL!...Either these are the remains of Noah's ark, or they are not. Believers don't need to see the ark to know the great flood really happened. Could it be compared to: "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed".?.. I think so.

I can't help but notice you sometimes tangle horns with unbelievers. Do you really think that a discovery of an enormous ship {if that is what this is} high up on a mountain is going to change their world view? I think not. I'll compare that to: "And He said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though One rose from the dead.

As for those with hardened hearts, unless something big really rocks their world, they'll continue along their way.

148 posted on 06/30/2006 5:43:35 PM PDT by labette (Opinion provided through the wisdom of a law degree. - { Murphy's Law })
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To: alnick
You cannot apply natural laws to God.

I looked for a reply to your statement, didn't see one. You can not apply what is spiritual to natual thought. You have hit the nail on the head because not one single person in this world can prove or even remotely show anything in the original bible text is false.

Everyone knows this, but still the naysayers are going to come and they will go and in the end there will be God and his word that stands above all...it has for an eternity.

149 posted on 06/30/2006 5:54:49 PM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
The amount of water on the earth is constant

Interesting. What scientific law is that?

150 posted on 06/30/2006 5:58:23 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: DannyTN
Would wood at that height above sea level deteroriate quickly or is there a chance decay would be slow enough to allow a slower petrification process?

That's just the thing. Wood at that height could probably be preserved as wood, perhaps 4000 years later. But in order to become petrified, it would have become submerged and buried by other sediments.

Then extremely slow movement of water molecules through that layer would replace the organic material in the wood while maintaining the physical structure of it.

It's impossible to conceive of those conditions on a mountain top. First, you can't bury it in sediment. Second you can't have the waterflow underground to make the replacement happen. It's just too dry or frozen.

The link you provided makes the categorical statement that it's petrified wood, but provides no backup for that claim. So, there's no way to know whether it's credible or not. Extremely unlikely claims need corroboration.

I'm not saying it's not petrified wood. I can't make that determination from the photos. All I'm saying is that I don't see how it could be. It fails the common sense test.

151 posted on 06/30/2006 6:06:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Mr. Mojo

Great picture, although I am a believer.


152 posted on 06/30/2006 6:09:09 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: Manic_Episode
I agree with you. I do think this could be real. But then, you and I both believe it did really happen. Some here do not.
153 posted on 06/30/2006 6:19:23 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: GoLightly
What do you think explains redshift variability best?

Please explain how redshift variability can be explained by lightspeed decay. Note that in my example I am referring specifically to creationist claims that lightspeed has been slowing down in such a way to make current astronomical observations consistent with a universe no more than 10,000 years of age.
154 posted on 06/30/2006 6:22:08 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: labette
I can't help but notice you sometimes tangle horns with unbelievers.

Note that editor-surveyor has in the past mistaken believers who simply do not agree with him on all theological claims for "unbelievers", as have a great number of other creationists.
155 posted on 06/30/2006 6:24:56 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: El Cid
One proposal is that most of the animals went into 'hibernate mode'... I know if I had been on board the last ship on Earth, while 'terra firma' was getting ripped up and covered with water I'd probably been in a 'wake me when its over mode' as well...

What of animals that do not hibernate?
156 posted on 06/30/2006 6:25:47 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I can't believe you don't see the ones on the right. They are visible without enlarging it. Right after the "break" in the wood, a bit farther right than the midline of the image. I saw the ones on the left too, but they looked a bit iffy, as though they could be nails OR debris on top. The ones on the right also might be debris but they are so equidistant they really look like nails.


157 posted on 06/30/2006 6:27:29 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: DannyTN
Re 139: "Lyle is either a complete phony (follow the money from his speaking tour!) or is so blinded by desire-to-believe that he is incapable of honest judgment." Unfortunately, that's always a possibility. But I don't have evidence yet that he is phony or incompetent or unduly biased. However, I have read some of your other anti-Bible comments and believe that you ARE unduly biased, regardless of whether you might have any qualifications beyond that of anonymous internet poster. So between the two of you, he's definitely getting the benefit of the doubt for right now.

Aa, ah, the usual ad hominem response. Don't address the subject, just change to the "anonymous internet poster". You are a master at this.

However, I note for your further consideration, that you have never disproved the Pixie Theory of Aerodynamics. I asked you to post evidence against it---you have offered no evidence against it. And, just who do you think you are? to assert YOUR belief to be paramount over those of the family values of Pixies?

Lyle is the same. He has a Theory of the Ark. He is probably a fraud, but maybe a true-believer. All of this can be explained by Pixie Theory. Teach the controversy. Follow the money.

158 posted on 06/30/2006 6:34:00 PM PDT by thomaswest (One man's or woman's cult is another's deep faith belief. Curious.)
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To: Dimensio
What of animals that do not hibernate?

That's the funny thing about advocates of Noah's Flood. Anything that makes no sense about the story gets a miraculous explanation.

Which really begs the point.

If God wanted to destroy stuff, He wouldn't use a lame flood that for which he had to change all the rules of physics. Nor would He leave evidence that it never happened.

He'd just do a ZOT.

It's so incredibly obvious today that it's a fable that it's ridiculous to be discussing it. Don't even mention the dinosaur angle. You'll get people here saying that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark.

159 posted on 06/30/2006 6:49:58 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: DannyTN; RadioAstronomer
Re 141: It might not fit in an YEC model, but the disparity certainly does raise questions of whether we understand all the factors affecting redshift. The object raises the possibility that we have significant "unknown unknowns" with regard to redshift.

This is quite cutesy of Danny. All the factors that relate to faith-belief and evolution-denying? Can Danny name two or three such factors?

significant "unknown unknowns" with regard to invisible gods, undiscoverable 'powers', faith-based rejection of pixies, 189 schisms in Christian theology.

Lyle is the same. He has a Theory of the Ark. He is probably a fraud, but maybe a true-believer. All of this can be explained by Pixie Theory. Teach the controversy. Follow the money.

160 posted on 06/30/2006 6:52:01 PM PDT by thomaswest (One man's or woman's cult is another's deep faith belief. Curious.)
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