Posted on 04/30/2007 9:00:21 PM PDT by Quix
Actually, haven’t had a cell phone since in Taipei in 2002.
Note in Mat 24:1-8 . . . Christ comments about "not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
p 31 ARE WE LIVING IN THE END TIMES:
History records that our Lord's words were fulfilled to the letter in A.D. 70. In that year the Roman army under the command of Titus destroyed the city of Jerusalem. Fires raged through the city and in the temple area itself. After the flames burned themselves out, the soldiers saw that large amounts of gold had melted and flowed into the crevices of the blocks of the temple. In order to recover the precious metal, the Romans had to take the buildings apart, stone by stone. And so Jesus' prophecy was fulfilled literally; not one stone was left upon another.
We can expect the vast majority of prophetic Scriptures yet to be fulfilled to be literally fulfilled to the letter. And, we can expect 100% of those obviously to be taken literally or literally AND symbolically to be fulfilled literally.
I have a difficult time understanding how any other perspective can be considered to be authentically Biblical in any serious sense.
I have always found this sort of thing funny. Despite the fact that God says that we won’t know when the end is coming, there is a certain group that just doesn’t want to believe that. They think they are so in tight with God that surely He will give them advance notice over the heathens.
I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that anyone can reasonably predict when it is going to happen.
Careful, the religious police will pull your comment. BTW, spot on. There are 10 commandments. Didn’t see a date for the end time in there.
And, He gives us some great clues.
One covered in LaHaye and J's book p 39 involves Mat 24:7-8:
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places, All these are the beginning of sorrows. (LA&J emphasis added).
We submit that is exactly what occurred in June 1914 when the Archduke of Austria, prince Francis Ferdinand was shot by a Serbian zealot in the very area of the world where in these days UN peacekeepers must be stationed to keep the Serbs and Croats from killing eachother. One month later Austria declared war on Serbia, followed shortly by the other kingdoms of the world, until all but seven nations officially joined the conflict (and even the seven "neutral" countries sent mercinaries), At first historians officially called it "the Great War," for indeed, to that point it was the greatest war in human history. The war involved more men in uniform (estimates total 53 million, 13 million of whom were killed) than all the troops in all the wars before it. But it didn't end there . . . If this were all that happened in 1914-1918, however, it would not be sufficient to fulfill all of our Lord's prophecy. Remember, He added, "There will be famines, pestilences . . . in various places." A look at history reveals that the flue epidemic of 1918 spread throughout Europe, Canada, and the United States and took more lives than were lost on the battlefields. . . .
However, I do not think that WWI really qualifies. I don't think it meets even their criteria sufficiently dramatically enough to be THE SIGN. I think it still is a major sign that is pending. But they contend that the beginning of sorrows began then.
I believe that the beginning of sorrows could not really come about until Israel had become a Nation again in a day as in 1948.
I just don't know how you can possibly see today in that phrase, as opposed to almost any other time in history. Nation against nation? Has happend thousands of times. Kingdom against Kingdom? Happens less now than at any other time in the past since there aren't many kings any more. Earthquakes? There is no sign that they are more prevalent now than at any other time? Famine and pestilence? Way down. Far more common prior to 1900 than now.
I believe that once Israel became a Nation again in a day in 1948, that the END TIMES prophetic clock speeded up. And, that the generation that saw that happen will have at least one member of that generation alive when the concluding acts of the play transpire on the world stage. So, if that contention is accurate, it should mean that the end of history as we have known it will occur before our lifetimes are out.
And, certainly it seems that each year, the speed of such prophetic events increases with more and more data points fitting more and more puzzle pieces into the ending events presented in Scripture for the END TIMES.
For example, just a few off the top of my head:
1. Israel again a nation in a day. No dispersed people ever reconstituted again as a nation before or since.
2. Hebrew as their resurrected language--never happened to any culture before or since.
3. Jerusalem made a heavy burden and focus of the whole world in contrast to it's not being a major center of anything economically or politically.
4. The Mark of the Beast computer chip ID implant is all ready and in use in the USA, Mexico and other locations and could be implemented manditorily world wide within 3-5 years easily--particularly in non rural areas.
5. The global government is functioning very effectively in the shadows and could easily force itself overtly on the world stage at virtually any time.
6. The globalists are satan worshippers.
7. The globalists have effectively begun to destroy Christianity in the public square shockingly effectively. Christians have been punished in Western countries in ways never imagined possible--ALREADY--and the global government is not even overtly in power--yet.
8. The North American Union and other sections of the planet divided up by the puppet masters into 10 regions fits precisely Daniel's vision regarding the satanic ruler and the 10 kings submitted to him.
9. "Even if you build nests among the stars--yet will I bring you down." Never before possible but from that era's idiom, is not possible--the Space Station is there twinkling similar to a star in the night sky.
10. Knowledge has increased so astronomically beyond ever before it abundantly fulfills the prophecy about that--particularly with the net.
11. Running to and fro upon the earth has never been as rampant as it is now in the recorded history that we know of. Again fulfilling another end times prophecy as never before, since the prophecy was given.
12. The Gospel is within a decade and a half or so of being distributed to the last people groups not having it. This is CERTAINLY A HUGE SIGN in and of itself.
13. The globalists have begun their efforts to unify the world's religions [and to hyper activate the world's anger against "fundamentalist" religionists via the Jihadi terror folks who are also serving to scare the world into a world government and to remove guns from the populace].
14. The globalists have succeeded in transforming the founding American Judeo/Christian ethic into the lawlessness prophecies described where good is called evil and evil good.
15. The churches which most dismiss and/or trash Jesus' deity are also the churches most in support of the globalists and their world government agenda.
16. The Nations around the world which most prevent Christ's deity being preached and particularly prevent teaching about the 2nd Coming and END TIMES events are also those countries most in sympathy with the tyrannical socialist goals of the global government.
17. The bioengineered weapons that are probably already in the hands of terrorists as well as the main actors mentioned in biblical prophecies would fulfill very easily the Biblical predictions of pestilence devastations.
19. The weather changes already experienced and certainly those on offing whether due to sun spot cycle extremes or human forces or otherwise have already precipitated famines in some places and look well cocked to produce vastly more famines as well as floods.
20. The rebuilding of the literal city of Babylon as predicted in prophecy but doubted even by many END TIMES ASTUTE prophecy experts has begun. There are convincing reports that the globalists intend to set up the seat of their satanic world government there as Biblically predicted for the END TIMES. I didn't know before that ancient Satanic Babylon was the source of socialism as a form of government as well as the source of the roots of all the pagain religions.
21. The capacity to SEE Christ return all over the world at one time via global TV and the net sets the stage for the first time for that prophecy to be fulfilled.
22. The evidently vastly increased numbers of erupting undersea volcanos is one possible contributor to an increase in heat globally. This is also in keeping with an END TIMES prophecy--as would be some scientific predictions of extreme and unusual sun activity which is projected to destructively add to cancers, heat and other problems vis a vis communications systems.
23. The numbers of rare and/or dramatic astronomical, space born discoveries and events has gone off the scale compared to even 50 years ago--much less 100. This would certainly fit the "signs in the Heavens" prophecy.
24. The countries allied AGAINST ISRAEL fit rather precisely those Biblically predicted to be so in the END TIMES.
25. Israel is beginning to find oil as some feel has been Biblically predicted. They are also spoken of in terms of reaping the wealth of the minerals in the Dead Sea which would be in trillions of dollars.
It feels like I could come up with a number of others but I'll stop there. Clearly there has never before been such a combination of Biblically prophecied events, puzzle pieces in the same era fitting so well the Biblical prophecies. Denial of that fact is . . . well . . . blind denial. That kind of denial will likely in coming months and years be costly in terms of lives . . . and sadly, likely in terms of eternal life.
Christ Himself said to watch, to occupy, to prepare, to be ready with lamps [our lights as believers sharing Christ's light?] full of and with extra oil of Holy Spirit and trimmed, i.e. ready.
In any case, even just in the secularly natural sense, we must be ready for whatever the Jihadi's, the traitorous DIMRATS/socialist/globalists throw at us. Add in their demonized cohorts . . . it is likely increasingly to be--buckle seatbelts time.
We at least do well to be often in Scripture--digesting it and taking it into the fiber and fabric of our being; walking in Holy Spirit; in ongoing dialogue with Jesus--ready for whatever HE directs us to do.
That perspective, is not mine.
There are qualitative and numerical differences now in the direction of the Biblically predicted puzzle pieces. But, hey, I have no intention of proving such as in a court of law. I shall lay out enough evidence for those open to seeing such. I have no ability to force every perspective and type of eyesight to see much of anything—regardless of how IN ONE’S FACE the puzzle pieces and facts may be from my perspective.
But, hey, perhaps you can come up with 25 Biblically sound criteria about 25 events, data points in the Biblically predicted direction—
AT ANY OTHER ERA IN HISTORY—ANY OTHER SET OF COHORT LIFETIME SPAN/GENERATIONAL SPAN.
Let me see YOUR list of 25 such from before say 1900.
Christ made sure that we be alert and understand the general time of the END TIMES from the signs given. He did, however, note that only the Father knows the day and time.
None of the Bible Believing folks I know set such dates.
Predending that we do and accusing us falsely is not very charitable nor very honest.
Personal attacks are what get posts pulled, BTW.
And our Beloved Moderator is not “the religious police.” He is a tireless selfless volunteer who helps keep this incredible forum as free of conflict and personal assault as possible and according to forum rules. Rebellion against forum rules is not generally a good predictor of longevity hereon.
Sorry Quix, I will put my Burqua back on.
As you wish . . . as long as it’s within the rules of the forum.
Attitude, of course, is monitored more by God than the Religion Moderator.
Your list is totally absurd. “The Globalists are Satan worshippers”? That could be said for any time.
That response leaves me with the conviction that the poster has not studied the issues nor evidence much at all.
. . . which is kind of it’s own absurdity.
That comment is on the order of saying
that anyone could find a 2007 model Ferrarai in any century in the past 2,000 years.
The difference in the facts is that stark . . . and absurd.
Where are these convincing reports?
Are you at all open to the possibility that you WANT to see these events, and therefore view everything through a lense that supports your view?
Well, every attempt of the last 150 years to read the headlines into the Bible, then make predictions on the basis thereof, has been overtaken and embarrassed by events. Meanwhile, an attempt to use the Bible as a tool for divination and fortune-telling has done much to neuter the church within history. I mean, if God has already decided to let the other team have all the marbles, who are we to resist the Almighty?
Not at all, considering that there have always been people one could call globalists, yet there have not always been 2007 Ferrari's.
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