Posted on 07/20/2007 8:49:30 AM PDT by Between the Lines
Quix. RW is increasingly troubling. I know you to be a God-fearing Christian man. I would keep my distance from him if I were you. I wouldn’t want to see you having stood up for someone who is less than what he initially appeared by far.
This particular church has done 40 days of purpose, which doesn’t necessarily mean anything but it could mean something as well. I sincerly doubt the idea that there are no RW churches that are part of the RW system near this church. When the man has trained 400,000 pastors, they are EVERYWHERE.
And incidentally, RW is but a symptom or tangible thing we can name. There are reasons to be wary of him (such as a chronic misuse of Scripture [most recent example was using the “God Laughs” verse of Psalm 2 to illustrate that God has a sense of humor and so should pastors]). But he is just a part of a wider issue which threatens belief in the Bible, stability of local churches, and the gospel itself (hint: Repentance is not a word used very often these days in the church at large). So, not doing a RW “Witch hunt” per se. Just sounded like some other things that have gone on in the name of purpose and saw that this church too was into the 40 days. Same symptoms everywhere. Broken hearts. Divided generations. Shattered churches. Little accountability in the leadership. Did RW start this? No. Is he part of it, apparently yes.
I understand your perspective.
I am wary of the globalist stuff.
I think a lot of the other stuff is way overblown ‘your God is too small’ kind of perspective stuff.
I’m exceedingly Biblical.
I believe RW, as far as I’ve read, is reasonably Biblical for an evangelical.
I think a lot of the carping is because he doesn’t measure up to this or that narrow interpretation of a list of pet Scriptures and proof texts—in the eyes of those whoh’s favorite proof texts are . . . inordinately . . . focused on in, to me, out of balance sorts of ways.
That’s not my focus.
Thanks for your kind caution.
yep I took some screenshots. Unbelieveable!!!
see here:
http://purposedrivel.com/article/509/tabernacle-baptist-update
Locked them in hotel rooms???!?!?!
Did he tell them to do their ‘centering prayer’ etc too?
I think you missed it. But now the pic is gone.
Check out the screenshots
http://purposedrivel.com/article/509/tabernacle-baptist-update
I dunno! COULD BE! :-)
Have you ever heard of "file cabinet orthodoxy"?
It doesn't matter their belief statement. They are promoting PDL and that PDC/PDL gives the pastor free rein to implement his 'transition' program and tells him to ignore criticism and oust dissenters. (read Dan Southerland's "Transitioning:Leading your Congregation through change" -- with its glowing foreword by Rick Warren). Dissenters are 'leaders from hell.' I have read the book and can vouch that this quote on this page is accurate:
BTW the term “file cabinet orthodoxy” was a term coined by Bob DeWaay to illustrate this phenomenon.
He’s biblical; but, very sloppily so. He regularly pulls verses completely out of context or chooses to use a particular translation that is not faithful to the Greek or Hebrew (usually from the Message Bible) in order to support his point. He truly “proof texts” things; but rather than come at it from some biblical truth angle, he comes at things from his agenda angle and then finds Bible verses (whether then are contextual or not) to support them. I can support that later when I have more time. But it isn’t petty stuff I’m talking about.
It’s dangerous for them to be using examples from Nehemiah.
It was Nehemiah who read publicly, direct from God’s Word, for several hours straight. His audience was men, women, and children - all who could understand. No children’s church, no focus groups, no surveys, no special study groups, no teen ministry. Everyone received exhortation direct from the Law.
Something Rick Warren does not do.
Please don’t bother. I’m not that interested in slicing, dicing and shredding someone who’s winning and discipling folks in Jesus whether they do it according to my specifications, or not.
The concern is, Quix, is he really? When you leave repentance out of the equation- I would say not. That’s not my specification. That is Scripture’s. We must be very careful about the cult of celebrity when it comes to the church. NOBODY is outside of being held accountable. Not sure why you pinged A-G, but just so she sees the response. BE CAREFUL. That’s what I’m saying.
He doesn’t leave repentance out of it.
Sheesh.
Oh, sheesh yourself Quix. He does too! At least he doesn’t put it with the plan of salvation. He pronounces people saved well before the idea of repenting from sin’s committed ever is even considered. For example, in his video for 40 days. He leads this prayer:
“Dear God, I want to know your purpose for my life. I don’t want to base the rest of my life on wrong things. I want to take the first step in preparing for eternity by getting to know you. Jesus Christ, I don’t understand how but as much as I know how I want to open up my life to you. Make yourself real to me. And use this series in my life to help me know what you made me for.”
Then he says, “Now if you’ve just prayed that prayer for the very first time I want to congratulate you. You’ve just become a part of the family of God.”
Uh,where’s the cross? Where is repentance? Where is “I’m a sinner” Where is understanding that one has offended God? I fear that the slew of RW churches out there are packing the pews with people who are lost and remain so.
I listened to RW give the plan of salvation in detail. It was pretty good in a lot of ways. But again, it left out repentance of sin.
Thank you both for the pings!
Your RW source. LOL
So you have a Saddleback Koolaid drinker giving you your facts? No wonder. More lies from the Big Man.
Here are screenshots:
Pastor Threatens to Have Congregants Arrested
Rick Warren too often makes it so easy to prophesy.
see #38
But then who’d write the checks? Oh that’s right... the goats.
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