Posted on 09/10/2007 12:16:21 PM PDT by NYer
Convert - revert - interesting.
Commonly repeated lie.
Oh, of course.
Until these prospective ordinands found out that: (1) You cannot be in debt and enter a seminary (i.e. no mortgages allowed) and (2) you get paid jack plus squat.
And no word on if the study includes the numerous Catholic priests who were laicized in the 1970s so they could get married.
They will never be allowed to work as priests again, no matter the circumstances.
Leaving a church he felt was in turmoil-——and the Roman Catholic Church in not in turmoil. Maybe, I missed something.
I think this article captures very well the pain some of our Episcopal Brethren experience when feel they have been forced to set off into the deep of another Faith Tradition.
And I believe they are very willy nilly on abortion -- no firm stance as found by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church...
Ya’ know...this isn’t like working for Pepsi and deciding quit and go work for Coca-Cola.......
There is a commitment of faith and belief in the traditions and beliefs of the Catholic Church. That doesn’t happen because of current job disatisfaction.....
Sigh......Whatever....
If this is how he feels, perhaps he doesn't truly have two vocations.
One wonders, do they have to confess that they were never priests? That they’ve never confected the Eucharist?
In comparison to ECUSA/TEC, the Catholic Church is a pleasant walk in a well-kept park.
I know. I fled across the Tiber.
Intimidating, perhaps ... but if it's a novel concept to the gentleman, what was he doing as an Episcopal priest?
In general, I think the Church needs to be as cautious about ordaining former Protestant clergy as about any other candidates for the priesthood ... perhaps even more so. The concept that they're merely "changing employers" is intuitively simple - but far from the sacramental reality!
(I had more than an inkling a long time before I migrated across the Tiber.)
Yes, it’s possible. To me, he comes across as, “Maybe I’ll become a Catholic priest, because it’s like, my job being a priest, and I can’t be an actuary ... good thing my wife brings in the bux!”
Of course, his thought process may be totally different from the interpretation I’m drawing - that goes without saying!
Maybe it’s because of the way this article is written, but I have real doubts about this individual’s vocation. The way he’s already complaining about trying to serve two masters... That’s one thing I like about Catholic Priests. They’re priests. That’s what they do, what they are. They aren’t family men, business men who happen to suit up in a roman collar instead of a tie with their suit before they pick up their briefcases and trundle off to work.
Another way they used to say you could tell the difference between an Episcopal minister and a Catholic Priest was how expensive their cloths looked.
Most of the High Church priests I have known were unmarried and celibate anyhow.
But I don't read this quite the way you do. I think he's being quite candid about the demands of the priesthood, and it may be that his experience in the Episcopal church has brought that into focus. I can tell you that even the "low church" priests I have known have had lots of family difficulties. I don't think very many Protestant churches are candid with their ministers about the stresses and demands of the ministry and the family problems it causes.
To be charitable, he just may be bringing his prior experience to bear on the problem.
That’s fine. That’s why the celibacy rule makes sense. Anyway, it’s not like all priests don’t have mothers and fathers and aunts and uncles and sisters and brothers and cousins that may need their help.
I believe that in the Diocese of Portland we have two such priests. Yes, they must attend Catholic seminary and meet other requirements.
I would like to know what you mean by this comment. I don’t remember the date, but the Latin Church did make it mandatory.
Having two jobs isn’t easy, try three! I know many of my fellow Orthodox priest that do. Their parishes are to small to pay much, so they have another paying job as well as being a dad. At one time the man would go to seminary right after high school, marry, waited until his kids were older, then was ordained and accepted a parish. Now that more women hold jobs, that isn’t the case.
FYI: The Catholic Church did recognize Holy Orders of the ECUSP until they started ordaining women.
frtom:
I don’t think your statement is correct about the Catholic Church recognizing Anglican/Episcopalian orders. I think it was Pope Pius VIII or Pope Pius X who issued a Letter stating that Anglican orders were not valid (I think it was issued in the 1890’s).
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