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Posted on 12/31/2007 8:21:48 PM PST by Salvation
HE INCREASES AND SHE DECREASES By MARK P. SHEA
Refuted??? You simply failed to provide the whole text.
If you can’t understand “refuted,” you’re never gonna get “venerated.”
Montana, the RC belief is that Mary died, but that she was immediately "assumed, body and soul" into Heaven and did not, therefore, experience any decay.
What part aren't you getting?
y’all will have to excuse me for awhile...time for the gym.
It’s been explained over and over again. I have photos of my family, my friends and my father who I revere. I love to look at them, I talk to their pictures, especially dad’s.
1. You do not believe in the Communion of the Saints.
2. To you, death is final. Dead is dead.
3. You have a miniscule place in not only theology, but history for the Blessed Virgin Mary.
4. You refuse the early fathers of the church and their expositions.
The Dogma of the Church is not piecemeal. It is bound in the Scriptures. It is bound by the Father’s interpretation of the early Church and it is bound by the experiences and teachings of all the Saints and Martyrs our Beloved gave to us beginning with Stephen and to the Iraq and Chinese martyrs and all the other Saints up to this day.
I am not wasting my time, once again, explaining what has been explained ad infinitum over many threads.
Suffice it say, I believe in the Holy Catholic Church as the depository of all Truth.
Whether you believe it is not my concern.
Well, I'm certainly not getting answers around here.
Well, I guess that sums it up-wrong I might add-but sums it up never the less.
Daniel 5:22
“y’all will have to excuse me for awhile...time for the gym.”
Amen. I’d run but plantar fasciitis is messing with my runs!
Guess I’ll hit the showers!
Bye.
“Well, I guess that sums it up-wrong I might add-but sums it up never the less.
Yeah, don’t let 2000 years of Christ’s own Church confuse you. Just ask another if Sola Scriptura is the key to theology or if it is Sola Scriptura PLUS the Spirit which, of course, would mean it couldn’t be Sola alone.
Confusing isn’t it?
Have a great evening!
I am aware that gypsies are associated with “Romist” ,and now perhaps Romanist. I thought “papist” just meant a follower of the Pope, but now
I will refrain from using it ever again.
so we're on the same page, give me the passage you are specifically referring to, thanks.
We are talking in circles, must be the amintian equlibrium
I've seen the assumption explained both ways. What is the Scriptural basis for this belief. I'm sure John, who was entrusted with the care of Mary by our Saviour, would have mentioned it somewhere in his writings. I haven't seen the verses.
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican
If this is the passage, then it must be read in light of the verses above it, the parable of the lost sheep. The goal is restoration, not judgment or punishment.
I'm not a lawyer either, but a fact is that sometimes these matters are not black and white and can certainly be more complicated than they might appear on the surface. Perhaps one person's view of what happened is the polar opposite of the other one's.
At any rate, assuming it is a black and white type of offense, and the brother has refused to repent, step 2 is to take one or two more witnesses with you that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established --to fulfill the principle of Deut 19:15.
If he still refuses, then step 3 is to report the matter to the whole assembly, but this reporting is in order to bring the whole congregation to lovingly pursue his reconciliation, paralleling the lost sheep parable, and again, not as judgment and not as punishment.
***Well the text of Moses burning bush aka the UFO has never been approved either, anymore than the Virgin Mary apparition theory has turned out to be UFO related. There are eccentrics of all stripes, they can lead but no one has to follow.***
But here’s the difference: if I come out with a statement that does not measure up to the Church, then the Church says that I am wrong and that is that.
The Church is the keeper of Orthodoxy. The Bible is not and can never be, since it is words on paper; it actually is translations of words on paper whose originals have been lost.
I am grateful to such as kosta and Kolo since they have maintained the Orthodoxy of Christian beliefs and do not hesitate to publish those beliefs. Greek is the language of the NT, and it is to the Greeks we must turn to understand what it is that we must believe.
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
19:8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
19:10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb
. 19:11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
***I thought “papist” just meant a follower of the Pope, but now
I will refrain from using it ever again.***
Oh go ahead. I don’t mind. When I think of the various religious leaders that are out there, I’d put BVXI up against any of ‘em. Joel Osteen, anyone? How about a serving of Jim Bakker? With a side of Oral Roberts? And a slice of Robert Schuller?
Papist versus follower of men. Okay, I can take it.
The words of the OT do not trump those of the new; neither do misunderstandings of St. Paul trump those of Jesus.
Jesus the Christ is our Messiah, not men of varying ages.
The Lord’s Prayer, the Two Commandments of Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount. Read ‘em and weep (with delight).
There is the message of the Lord. Not in some severely bleak Puritan self-flagellation.
Rejoice and be glad. The Good News is brought to all men. Not just the selected elected elite. All.
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