Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
Our very consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary...
To what are we consecrated?
The Immaculate Heart.
The Immaculate Heart of whom?
Mary.
PETRONSKI: What? Your post? It simply does not say what you claim it says.
Again, read the excerpt...
God willed that Mary should be intimately associated with His Son in bearing the burden of all sin; surely then, her Immaculate Heart, in union with His divine Heart, should receive reparation from us who have caused them such pain.
Mary bears the burden of our sins with Christ, and therefore she "deserves" "reparation."
Ungodly lies that direct our eyes from Christ alone back onto the creature. There are few sins greater.
I assure you if I had seen these posts (the last two) I would have taken exception.
It is just as bad as the Pope telling us we must be subject to the Roman Pontiff for salvation.
Where in your answer is there a citing of Christ departing from Scripture? Is it when you say, “...or did He teach orally?”
Isa 54:13 And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
Is it when you say, “...did Christ come to establish a church?”
Deu 14:2 For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth. (though the word church is not used the word ecclesia — a special calling out/called out ones, the phrase referring to these called out ones “peculiar people” is the same phrase Peter uses to describe the church in his first epistle.)
As to the functioning of the church, is the servant greater than the master, or does s/he also (like the Son of Man) live by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God? Still waiting for you to identify where Christ departed from scripture in His life, choosing instead to go outside of scripture for direction.
Doesn't say that.
Mary should be intimately associated with His Son in bearing the burden of all sin...
It says she should be intimately associated with...
I'd explain it to you again, but you do not believe Mary had the choice--the free will--to say no, so the explanation would be lost on you.
Many of His acts may have been foretold in the Old Testament, but the actions of His life are a New Testament.
Which books of the bible are you suggesting are unimportant (since, as you say, Jesus didn’t tell anyone to write them down)?
But, of course, He did tell all those that recorded the books that make up the scriptures to indeed write them down—by His Spirit.
You said,
‘Don’t you think if it was that important He would have told us to follow the book that would be written?”
Yes. He said at one point to the Jews, “Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” And, of course later He said, “Follow Me.” (emphasis on the “Me”)
Which books of the bible are you suggesting are unimportant (since, as you say, Jesus didn’t tell anyone to write them down)?
But, of course, He did tell all those that recorded the books that make up the scriptures to indeed write them down—by His Spirit.
You said,
‘Don’t you think if it was that important He would have told us to follow the book that would be written?”
Yes. He said at one point to the Jews, “Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” And, of course later He said, “Follow Me.” (emphasis on the “Me”)
Goes to prove it really is God who alone gives eyes to see.
How many no longer needed artificial limbs have been left there over the years? Any? That would be miraculous.
The foretold actions were fulfilled. Old Testament “shadows” gave way to New Testament substance. The ark of Noah, sacrifice of Isaac, the Passover, the tabernacle, etc. All of these were shadows of good things to come (Read Hebrews 10). Christ came and Thus He lived according to the scriptures.
The New Testament was necessary because God’s plan of redemption, which had been foretold from the beginning (the just shall live by faith), reached its fulfillment in Christ’s propitiary work on the cross. Everything in the Old Testament times was pointing forward to Calvary, and everything in New Testament times points back to Calvary (with the exception of course, of Christ’s Second Coming where His enemies will be made His footstool.
I do not deny the exact words as printed. I deny your misinterpretation of them.
That misinterpretation of those words is noted for everyone to see.
This appears more like a fun house than a religious discussion every day.
I believe you have just proven my point. The excerpt (wrongly) says we are consecrated to Mary which is exactly what I wrote and which you challenged!
What is it with you guys and your love for the "excluded middle" fallacy. It's like if you use it enough, it won't be a fallacy anymore.
May we come to your garage and pray for lower gas prices?
It does not. Are you blind?
It says we are consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Not to Mary, to Mary's Immaculate Heart.
Is English your first language?
If someone cannot defend their faith from the holy word of God, one would think that alone would force the believer to return to the Bible and search out the truth for themselves.
The frustration some people feel when they realize their beliefs do not align with Scripture must be fierce. But that irritation might just be the Holy Spirit moving them back to God's word.
PETRONSKI: It does not. Are you blind? It says we are consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Not to Mary, to Mary's Immaculate Heart.
Wow. Fascinating. Lines like that make all this time on FR well worthwhile.
So there's a difference between Mary and Mary's immaculate heart? What would that be? Is there a difference between Petronski and Petronski's heart (assuming....you know)?
If I thought you were actually genuinely curious about the teaching, I would tell you all about it. Even without knowing, the language makes it quite clear: "Mary" is not the same as "Mary's Immaculate Heart." You can see that, right?
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