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The Dying Rooms
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=21055 ^ | Jan. 07, 2002 | CNS

Posted on 08/03/2008 4:37:49 PM PDT by stfassisi

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I felt the need to posts this in light of the upcoming Olympic games .

The greed of american corporations has allowed this country to gain power by looking the other way!

1 posted on 08/03/2008 4:37:49 PM PDT by stfassisi
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2 posted on 08/03/2008 4:39:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 08/03/2008 4:40:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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“The greed of american corporations has allowed this country to gain power by looking the other way! “

Don’t forget the consumers that can’t get enough of “china prices” for crap they dont really need.


4 posted on 08/03/2008 4:44:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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The Dying Rooms

Chinese Orphanages adopt a “zero population growth policy”

By Steven W. Mosher

Jan. 07, 2002


This is an old article - Jan. 7, 2002.

I don’t believe this is true anymore.

There is a HUGE problem with not enough little girls to some day be wives. In fact trying to adopt a little girl from China is VERY DIFFICULT today.


5 posted on 08/03/2008 4:47:43 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: driftdiver

“The greed of american corporations has allowed this country to gain power by looking the other way! “

Don’t forget the consumers that can’t get enough of “china prices” for crap they dont really need.


It’s not the corporations. It’s not the “customers”.

It’s about a society that elevates males over females to an extreme.


6 posted on 08/03/2008 4:49:10 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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“It’s not the corporations. It’s not the “customers”.”

If you’re referring to the economic growth taking place in China it is certainly about corporations and customers being greedy.

“It’s about a society that elevates males over females to an extreme.”

No, its about a government that kills babies, forced sterilizations, and forced abortions.

The male over female is a reaction by desperate parents to the govt atrocities. The asian cultures certainly value males more than females but its a deeper issue. Parents depend on their kids for support when they get old. Girls cannot support their parents.


7 posted on 08/03/2008 4:56:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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Of course, what is happening in China should not only be a lesson unto itself as to what has happened there, but what could happen/may be happening here. To be honest, if Americans themselves didn't feel the need to breed as much as they do, the same problem wouldn't be raising its ugly head here in America, that of having more children than one or two can properly rear and educate without government (taxpayer's) assistance in one form or another, including schooling and health care. I have never felt it is anyone else's obligation to pay a dime for my children's care, and chose to have two, and only two. With the two-income family more of a necessity than ever, we Americans need to take a close look at our own priorities in this regard, and not make the same errors of judgment. If we do, we will pay for our mistakes in human lives in the relatively near future. Socialism is only a very temporary salve for failure. It takes individual responsibility and accountability to avoid the worst that societies and their fragile economies can engineer for our future. If one fails at that, one should realize the ultimate cost alone.
8 posted on 08/03/2008 4:59:00 PM PDT by Melinda
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This is from 2002. It is an old article?

Orphanages in Eastern Europe are just as grim. In Russia handicapped children are shunted into psychiatric institutions to die among the insane. Orphaned children in Russia and Ukraine are preyed upon by pedophiles with access to the orphanages. Children in the poorest orphanages and in the institutions for "imbeciles" (which are often closed to foreigners) live without heat, with little food because the money to feed them is siphoned off by the corrupt or never paid by the govt. Children in my son's baby orphanage were fed sugar water for days one winter to survive when no money arrived from the govt to pay for food. In the summer the staffs bring vegetables and fruit from their tiny gardens to share with some of the children. Yogurt is like gold- so is a banana. I've seen the faces of kids who see these foods offered to them.

At least they have a roof over their heads- check out “The Children of Leningradsky” to see a documentary about Russian street children.

Humna Rights Watch has issued reports about both the Chinese "dying rooms; and about the entire Russian orphanage system, done in 1998. Romania where the poor dump their babies and handicapped kids in hospitals and abandon them, has not even permitted adoption for many years now. People are so poor in Moldova that human flesh is reportedly sold as food during the winter. You can imagine the fate of orphans in such a poor society. Street children are bought and sold by the hour in the Philippines and Cambodia.

Adopting from China and most of these other places has become an onerous process, unfortunately. Many good people are being turned away or turned off by the long wait.

9 posted on 08/03/2008 5:00:27 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: nmh
“”I don’t believe this is true anymore””

Who knows.Blessed Harry Wu is banned from China now.We do know that the evil government of China is now making money off of selling organs by killing people who speak out against them.

Whatever way you look at China US relations,it's all bad from both sides

10 posted on 08/03/2008 5:00:59 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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This is incredible. How can a communist country blame capitalisim?

Social engineering is at the root of communisim and socialisim. The state assumes it knows who should live or die.

How many generations must learn this lesson? I guess Stalin & Hitler, Pol Pot and even Mao himself weren’t enough. The Left ignores it’s own sad history, and can not see the death it reaps even now.


11 posted on 08/03/2008 5:01:17 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: stfassisi

Thank you for posting this.

May these people answer to our Lord for this.

Whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do to me.


12 posted on 08/03/2008 5:03:14 PM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: silverleaf
Orphanages in Eastern Europe are just as grim. In Russia handicapped children are shunted into psychiatric institutions to die among the insane. Orphaned children in Russia and Ukraine are preyed upon by pedophiles with access to the orphanages. Children in the poorest orphanages and in the institutions for "imbeciles" (which are often closed to foreigners) live without heat, with little food because the money to feed them is siphoned off by the corrupt or never paid by the govt. Children in my son's baby orphanage were fed sugar water for days one winter to survive when no money arrived from the govt to pay for food. In the summer the staffs bring vegetables and fruit from their tiny gardens to share with some of the children. Yogurt is like gold- so is a banana. I've seen the faces of kids who see these foods offered to them.

Thank you for bringing these horrific atrocities of eastern Europe to this forum as well.

13 posted on 08/03/2008 5:07:55 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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Harry Wu is a blessing.

What’s intersting though is that China, yes China is more of a CHRISTIAN nation that the U.S.. No kidding. The leaders are not Christian but the church is growing by leaps and bounds over there. Here we want to abolish God.


14 posted on 08/03/2008 5:11:27 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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“How can a communist country blame capitalisim?”

My guess is because the government in a communist country is never wrong.


15 posted on 08/03/2008 5:13:36 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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“Here we want to abolish God”

You're 100 percent on target and in a very slow and methodical fashion this is happening here.

16 posted on 08/03/2008 5:16:12 PM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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“If you’re referring to the economic growth taking place in China it is certainly about corporations and customers being greedy.”

You know nothing about China. You read too much propaganda. Corporations are not creating these orphanages. It is the government that has a one child policy because there are OODLES of people over there that often starve to death. So the government came along with the one child policy. I don't agree with it but it has NOTHING TO DO WITH CORPORATIONS!

It has everything to do with Communism. It keeps people down. As China becomes more capitalistic, they are RELAXING the one child policy when people can AFFORD to feed more than one child. That's a fact.

“It’s about a society that elevates males over females to an extreme.”

No, its about a government that kills babies, forced sterilizations, and forced abortions.

The GOVERNMENT does do that because they believe it is more “compassionate” than seeing people starve to death. I don't agree with it.

The male over female is a reaction by desperate parents to the govt atrocities. The asian cultures certainly value males more than females but its a deeper issue. Parents depend on their kids for support when they get old. Girls cannot support their parents.

You really don't understand the Chinese. It the GOVERNMENT forcing the abortions. The family would keep the girls but they are only limited in many areas to one child so they value th boy over the girl. Many a poor Chinese girl has pitched in to help support the family. The Chinese still have an extended family type outlook - that includes females.

Half of my family is Chinese. We go to China. I know what I am talking about.

17 posted on 08/03/2008 5:20:13 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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The progress the “underground church” is making in China is SHOCKING. They appreciate HOPE. They WANT FAITH in something. They KNOW socialism and communism isn’t right. They are EAGER to learn about Him.


18 posted on 08/03/2008 5:21:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wagglebee

Of course I’m not the only person out here extremely disturbed by this situation and wondering HOW to help.
Is it possible for you or somebody to post links to any reputable organizations that help these orphanages ?

or is anybody able to give a “ballpark” estimate of how much it costs to adopt a child from these places ?

does anyone think it could be possible for groups to contribute towards the goal of adopting children one at a time for willing folk to raise ? ( I hope you can understand what I mean here....together we could bring out one child at a time )
I am willing to help out in anyway I can,the SAME as MANY OTHERS.
we just need some knowledge to get started.
thank you.
....i don’t believe for one minute that it’s a simple coincidence that i read this post—


19 posted on 08/03/2008 5:27:27 PM PDT by catroina54 (be disturbed BUT take action-)
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ummm so if the corporations weren’t involved in sending massive business to China how would their economy be doing?


20 posted on 08/03/2008 5:27:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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