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Posted on 08/03/2008 4:37:49 PM PDT by stfassisi
I know several people who have adopted kids from china and/or russia. I think it costs 15-20k to adopt the child and you have to go there in person. That number may be out of date and their governments are making it harder to adopt. They’d rather the children die in the orphanage than admit they can’t care for them.
“Well, the stuff from Red China teaches us to have a disposable culture, unfortunately, in this article, they see people as disposable too. B-( “
They have found a great way to dispose of all those political prisoners. you ever seen one of those “Bodies” exhibits?
Bless you for saying this!
It is through persecution that builds up the Church
a homosexual or monosexual society in the making?
It is through persecution that builds up the Church
YES it is.
They cling to Him.
I don't know ... I know one thing ... I wouldn't want to be an attractive female living amongst an army of hormone driven males ... .
I don’t believe the situation is as grim today as was reported then. We have adopted two little girls from China and are waiting for our third adoption to come through. Our first adoption was in 1999 and things were pretty poor. However, in the last 9 years, through the help and support of many western charities, coupled with the fees paid to the orphanages by the families who adopt a child from them (which are used to help the children who are remaining), the standard of living for the children in the orphanages has raised considerably.
We are currently waiting for a little girl with special needs. We have received pictures of her through a charity that supports her. From the photos we have received, she looks healthy, as do the children who are in the orphanage with her (many of whom have special needs). The charity has started a school for the children in this orphanage, and they have done so in many orphanages across China. I also read in Christianity Today recently that the Church in China is sending its people into the orphanages to care for and teach the children.
Other charities have been involved in helping to build housing for foster families attached to the orphanages, so that the orphans can live in a family situation rather than in an institutional setting.
There are charities that send western doctors into China to treat the children in orphanages for cleft issues, heart conditions and other serious conditions requiring surgeries. These doctors take their vacations to go over and take care of the children for free.
There are hundreds of charities and thousands of regular people who have the orphans of China on their heart and work very hard to do everything they can to take care of them. And, there are many Chinese people doing the same.
If anyone is interested in helping Chinese orphans or orphans around the world, feel free to privately e-mail me and I will point you in the right direction to some fine organizations.
All is not totally rosy, but things are a heck of a lot better now than it was during the height of the “dying rooms” back in the 1990’s.
Don’t forget the consumers that can’t get enough of “china prices” for crap they dont really need.
And certain greedy, power hungry politicians who traded technology for campaign money...
Also, China (both the government and the people) knows the one-child policy is bad... but there are few viable alternatives at the moment. They have more than 4 times our population in the exact same area (and less arable land for growing crops). Before the economic explosion began 15 years ago, simple demographics showed that they were looking at massive starvation within a decade. Thanks to the economic reforms, their farming techniques have improved, and now the pressure is somewhat lower. Thanks to that, and due to internal and external pressures, the One-Child policy is slowly improving. Forced abortions are almost unheard of in the cities, especially since the economic realities in the cities allow couples to pay the fines for having "extra" children. The rural and Western areas are improving rapidly too, since the one-child policy was amended to allow rural families to have a second child if the first is a female.
Selective abortion still happens (since many families are "traditional" and do still prefer boys for the reasons mentioned in the article, and the Western provinces often ignore Beijing's reforms until they're established as successful) but the situation IS improving overall.
(Lest one mistake me for a CCP apologist, please read my tagline. I just want to make sure that we focus on the real problems in China, not the ones that get the most PR that might not reflect the actual reality over there right now.)
Finally (as I ramble on), it is actually inappropriate to refer to China as Communist (even though they call themselves Communist, LOL). There is very little that follows the tenets of Marx and Engels there. The wealthy are not facing punitive taxation, nor are they trying to get the poor to have the same things as the rich.... or even the basic necessities. Just as their current economic reforms are not "Chinese Socialism" (they are capitalistic reforms), China also is not Communist, and the Chinese Communist Party rarely espouses any of the core ideals of Communism. The CCP is authoritarian. That is pretty much the ONLY facet of Communism that exists and functions there. (The CCP is mandated to be the only party allowed in regional or national positions by their Constitution, so getting their one-party system to change will take some doing... but its crucially necessary for their long-term success, without a doubt.)
Actually, I’ve seen no shortage of females, young and old, walking alone at night in Chinese cities well after 2am, carrying groceries home etc. It seemed far safer there than in any US city after midnight.
It’s the surbaurban area where you will see strict compliance with the “one child policy”. The cities are prosperous and why they wink at it.
Also, China (both the government and the people) knows the one-child policy is bad... but there are few viable alternatives at the moment. They have more than 4 times our population in the exact same area (and less arable land for growing crops). Before the economic explosion began 15 years ago, simple demographics showed that they were looking at massive starvation within a decade. Thanks to the economic reforms, their farming techniques have improved, and now the pressure is somewhat lower. Thanks to that, and due to internal and external pressures, the One-Child policy is slowly improving. Forced abortions are almost unheard of in the cities, especially since the economic realities in the cities allow couples to pay the fines for having “extra” children. The rural and Western areas are improving rapidly too, since the one-child policy was amended to allow rural families to have a second child if the first is a female.
There is improvement in the rural areas. In cities where they can work and support them is why abortion is “unheard of”.
Selective abortion still happens (since many families are “traditional” and do still prefer boys for the reasons mentioned in the article, and the Western provinces often ignore Beijing’s reforms until they’re established as successful) but the situation IS improving overall.
Yes ...
(Lest one mistake me for a CCP apologist, please read my tagline. I just want to make sure that we focus on the real problems in China, not the ones that get the most PR that might not reflect the actual reality over there right now.)
Finally (as I ramble on), it is actually inappropriate to refer to China as Communist (even though they call themselves Communist, LOL). There is very little that follows the tenets of Marx and Engels there. The wealthy are not facing punitive taxation, nor are they trying to get the poor to have the same things as the rich.... or even the basic necessities. Just as their current economic reforms are not “Chinese Socialism” (they are capitalistic reforms), China also is not Communist, and the Chinese Communist Party rarely espouses any of the core ideals of Communism. The CCP is authoritarian. That is pretty much the ONLY facet of Communism that exists and functions there. (The CCP is mandated to be the only party allowed in regional or national positions by their Constitution, so getting their one-party system to change will take some doing... but its crucially necessary for their long-term success, without a doubt.)
You are so RIGHT!
The dirty little secret is the Chinese are MORE CAPITALISTIC than we are in the U.S.. It’s simply convenient to look DOWN on them so we feel better about marching towards SOCIALISM.
Thank you for the exchange.
Thanks for a thoughtful post on China. A few additional points: I’ve learned that the one-child policy does not apply to recognized “minorities” such as Tibetans. In addition, couples whose parents are both “only kids” may legally have two children. And most of the time, especially in the cities, the sanction imposed for having an additional child is loss of some economic benefit, like a salary cut, no promotion, loss of welfare benefit, etc. Family pressure also plays a role.
I think going to China in person to adopt is the best thing for all concerned. It’s a long and expensive trip, but our trips to China to adopt our daughters were so important to both them and to us. From our travels and stays in China we were able to see where they were from and to get a feeling for the people of their provinces. When one of my daughters asks about China and its people I am able to speak to them with real knowledge. We are able to explain the poverty that forced their mothers to abandon them. We are also able to tell them about the old ladies who fussed over them in the streets and all the people who patted them on the head and called them beautiful. I can tell them about the smells of food in the streets and the color of the sky. And with each story I tell, they have a stronger sense of self and of their history, which is so important to them.
I don’t fault the Chinese for requiring we travel to adopt. It is the best thing for all concerned.
That last post of mine to nmh should have gone to you also!
???! Please explain how better is something God would approve of?
I don’t understand your question. What are you trying to get me to say? Or what are you trying to get across?
There are orphans all over this world, many of whom were abandoned due to poverty and other issues. Does God approve of that? No. But he does approve of people stepping up and helping to make things better. If you think God doesn’t approve of that, I’m sorry.
Mei Ming--whose name means "No Name" in Chinese...
Mei Ming is a name like "Mary Smith." "Mei" almost always means "beautiful" or "little sister." "Ming" is simply a family name. So, respectfully, I'm thinking there's a good deal of propaganda in this article.
Mei Ming—whose name means “No Name” in Chinese...
Actually, it does mean that.
No kidding.
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