Posted on 06/27/2009 10:33:55 PM PDT by bdeaner
Mocking the body and the blood?
Tell me about the body and the blood then will you?
I was poking at you a little, but no, I wasn’t mocking Christ.
Christ’s body was given for us as a substitute on the cross for our sins, and his blood was shed for the forgiveness of those sins. There is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood.
How is this then applied to us? By trust, by accepting it, by believing it. Not by participating in the Eucharist.
Unless you eat his flesh and drink his blood, there is no life in you.
The word remembrance is used in the Bible in relation to The Lords Supper. Remembrance is of an event that has past it is past tense. Christ is very much alive and His presence is already among those in church before any bread is broken or wine drank. How do we know this? Because Christ said "where two or more are gathered in my there there I am also."
Paul had to deal with a churches or several churches abuses of this as they were making it a drunken feast.
It can also be pointed out the Christ after His resurrection walked and talked with His Disciples. Luke gives the account. He gave them Bread and he gave them wine. At this point they realized who he was as their eyes were open or as it was revealed to them.
The Lords Supper is an observance in remembrance of His Body killed as the sacrificial lamb bearing our sins and His blood which was shed for us sealing the New Covenant. It is however a solemn and serious observance one of which a person should examine their heart and spiritual self before engaging in it.
My ancestors were Scots/Irish Calvinists, who left Europe for a better life some 200+ years ago.
They fought and defeated the British in the American Revolution, and if it weren’t for them, we would all be speaking English today. (big grin)
“This pardon may be received by us through His Body, the Church. “
It may be received through a simple prayer asking for it.
“Looking to the Bible, there are two means to receive this pardon: Baptism and Confession. “
Confession thru a intermediary is not required. Baptism is a profession of faith.
Does the Bible instruct us to create a doctrine separate from the Word or does the Bible say it is the Word?
People always seem to want to add more as if the Bible is not sufficient.
“When I was an Evangelical, before I was in full communion with the Church, I found it very disturbing that some of the large Evangelical churches in the U.S. refused to take a stand against abortion”
I find that disturbing as well. however it is not just Evangelical churches that do that. The Catholic church does that as well in addition to many of its more famous members. Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy ring a bell?
Giving the Catholic church credit for creating civilization is quite a stretch. It could easily be argued they’ve held back civilization with their dogma and militant ideologies. For example refusing to allow the bible to be translated into anything a common person could read, those few that were allowed to learn to read.
Sola scriptura: The Scriptures Alone.
The scriptures (The Word of God) alone are the basis for the Christian faith and to deny this, is to deny Christ Himself.
What is, or better yet, who is the Word of God...
Read the first chapter of John.
Scripture alone...Christ alone.
When I lived in Lincoln, NE, the local bishop did not go as far in implying that adult, non Catholics, have a shot at salvation. Since they have reached the age of being able to decide for themselves and are aware of the Catholic Church, they have few reasons to be outside of it.
Go back to the early 1900’s and it is even more stark.
Either Vatican II changed something (which it claims not to) or the earlier times focused more on the “No” than the “maybe”.
And Catholics adhere to the magesterium mindlessly like a cult. Don’t you ever question your beliefs? Don’t you ever investigate for yourselves if something is true the way they’ve taught you? Talk about blindly following...
First, you can’t take a verse out of context. Read what the chapter is saying. Then see what the whole counsel of God has to say about faith and/or works. Anyone can build a religion out of a verse without considering what the rest of God’s Word has to say about that subject.
AGREED.
As you are aware, however,
There is a continuum between ‘normal’ . . . to significant pathology—with many points in between.
And, RELIGIOSITY is divided into
INTRINSIC vs EXTRINSIC RELIGIOSITY—i.e. the last I read on the topic.
INTRINSIC is the healthiest of all categories.
EXTRINSIC the unhealthiest of the religious categories with only
INDISCRIMMINANT ANTI-RELIGIOSITY being worse.
Would you agree that Attachment Disorder is a very serious social and individual problem with what . . . more than 95% of the prison population afflicted with it?
I remain skeptical of the research that seems to indicate a relatively small proportion of the general population afflicted with it. If my students are any clue, the proportion is larger than the statistics seem to indicate. What’s your perspective on that?
INDEED! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
And then they cut and paste a 20,000 word dissertation defending their position which generally has nothing to do with the topic at hand to try to sidetrack you...
Some of these people are so crooked they probably have to screw their socks on in the morning...
It's posts like this that set the tone for discussion...
Do you really think the person originally translating this piece couldn't see what you call ambiguity when he translated and then would correct it??? If the author was such a poor translator, why not correct it before it gets published or posted???
Your argument doesn't hold water...
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jive: v.intr.**chuckle**1. To play or dance to jive music.
2. Slang.1. To talk nonsense; kid.
2. To talk or chat: “You just jive in one big group, putting each other on, trying to top the last line” (Time).
jibe v.intr.1. (Naut.) To change a ship's course so as to cause a shifting of the boom. See Jibe, v. t., and Gybe.
2. To agree; to harmonize. [Colloq.] Bartlett.
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jive: v.intr.**chuckle**1. To play or dance to jive music.
2. Slang.1. To talk nonsense; kid.
2. To talk or chat: “You just jive in one big group, putting each other on, trying to top the last line” (Time).
jibe v.intr.1. (Naut.) To change a ship's course so as to cause a shifting of the boom. See Jibe, v. t., and Gybe.
2. To agree; to harmonize. [Colloq.] Bartlett.
More slander from the anti-Catholic Elim cult.
Exactly...We don't deny the blood of Christ...We couldn't be Christians without it...
But I for one have searched the scriptures high and low for a way for someone to make this blood drinkable and have it taste, look and feel like wine...It ain't there...
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