Posted on 07/19/2009 9:35:36 AM PDT by delacoert
Q: Do Mormons believe in the Trinity?
A: Yes, Mormons believe in the reality and divinity of the trinity of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost; however, Mormons believe that the trinity is composed of three separate and distinct beings with individual bodies. As seen in Matthew 3:16-17 the Son “was baptized” and “went straightway out of the water…and he saw the Spirit…descending like a dove…And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Thus the three divine beings that constitute the trinity are separate beings, yet one in purpose.
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That is also “on the list.” It is high on my personal wish list because even some oldtimers were astonished (and offended) seeing the Religion Forum for the first time, that conservatives could actually disagree so strongly about theology.
Religion, like politics, may not be the best subject for conversation around the dinner table -- families often make that a rule. But it seems to me that this (these) Forum(s) are all about debate. I like the thin skinned rule.
Could conservatives be bigots? God forbid!
Are antis bigots?
I just don’t believe the Mormon theology, but i notice something interesting. They are criticized for believing crazy things, like Jesus appearing in North America after resurection to give the word to the indians.
People who can see straight away that this is crazy, simultaneously believe that Mary literally popped into a cave in Mexico City, to tell Juan Diego that Mexican indians needed to be Roman Catholic.
Seems rather similar to me.
The Mormons say their prophet told them how it was. If you don't believe it then let it alone.
What I have seen of the Mormons tells me we should all be so dedicated to goodness and to God as they are to theirs.
Anybody who claims to be Christian has a lot of explaining to do when they say someone was brought back from the dead or walked on water.
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity as we have it now did not come into being until the third century. Perhaps Constantine knew what it was all about and the earlier Christians did not know what it was all about.
I always have had a hard time trying to understand how it was the The Savior prayed to himself. This whole Trinity thing is kind of whispy and ethereal anyway. Their version doesn't sound any worse than the Catholic version to me. They acknowledge all three, they just disagree about their form, big deal.
I think it is wrong to hastle good people, my experience is that it is hard to find better people than the Mormons.
Well, whatever else you can say about Mormons, anytime ive passed through Utah, it’s a wholesome place. A little too micromanagy for my taste, but clearly they are doing some things correctly.
Also Hollywood hates Mormons with a purple passion,,,food for thought.
Or any religion for that matter.
How many do you think there are?
Isn’t that a little close-minded? How else will you figure out who to get mad at and reply in kind?
Okay, what are your motivations and state of mind? Especially the former.
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Yeah, well, too many FREEPERS have fallen into the trap of hauling out the "B" to slap on others' forehead.
I mean the word just means "intolerance" (and actually apparently was first used to describe a group of nuns in France perceived as standoffish/uppity) -- and therefore was pure perception and perhaps projection.
What's interesting then are the folks who throw out the "B" word...apparently do many of them do it? Why, they're intolerant themselves of those they perceive as "intolerant?" (Now isn't that ironic & hypocritical, eh?)
Won’t that be like making an open forum, essentially more partisan? Not much room for any kind of exchange when all people do, is talk to others that think just like them. I think that is one of the main problems we have nowadays, more and more people choosing sides, reinforcing each other by saying the same things over and over again, whether right or wrong. That’s what we currently are seeing in the MSM nowadays, in congress, religions, politics, just about everywhere. I don’t really think it’s the forum’s responsibility to filter out those peoples that others just don’t want to bother with, you should just let them ‘tough’ their way through all those they don’t want to hear from.
Then, there’s your answer to #12.
Ah, we get it.
#1 Lds publish numerous statements of theological error in a publication (the Examiner).
#2 Delacoert happens to respond to just one of them in this venue.
#3 And yet you somehow are clueless to understanding the point of it, and yet proceed to comment upon it?
Your misassumptions?
#1 That Delacoert was the one initiating this
#2 Attributing false motives to Delacoert, a form of mild slander and "heart-reading" of a stranger (do you read palms, too?)
Finally, if it's in the "Tzimisce bible" -- small "b" 'cause it doesn't resemble the real one -- that anyone who posts disagreements in FreeperLand is motivated only to bait enflamed responses, then how do you explain your posting of a disagreement? (Was that, too motivated only to bait enflamed responses, or do you always let yourself off the hook of your own applied logic?)
Mormons can believe anything they want. You can’t prove them wrong anymore than you can prove yourself right.
More into refuting yourself, eh? If Delacoert can't come to any conclusions of "wrongness" about Mormon error, why are you bothering to attempt to "enlighten" Delacoert about his supposed "error" to even post this thread? (Can you say, "inconsistent?")
Apparently, according to your own standards of philosophical relativism, Delacoert can't be "wrong" in your eyes because Delacoert can also "...believe anything... he want[s] -- and You can’t prove him wrong anymore than you can prove yourself right.
(Ain't it funny how philosophical relativists speak so absolutely authoritian-like?)
BTW, does this statement of absolutism -- that Mormons can never be proved wrong -- apply to all cultists? -- or just merely to fave cultists of yours? For example, does this "religious tolerance" of yours -- of never having proof of "wrongness" -- also apply to Muslim terrorists, too? Or Heaven's Gate cult members pre-mass suicide? Or Jonestownians?
Pretty intense response for somebody wanting to apparently exert a "calming effect" (your appeal to heaven).
You seem so intent on dissing Mormons you forget that they love God, just like you. What difference does it make that they have those beliefs? They are good, law abiding people who are raising great kids and who live clean lives, why do you care so much about their dogma? If I were you, on a Sunday, I would be worried about the many people who don’t even ACKNOWLEDGE God, much less love Him.
Well, let's see...
...without exactly using these words, you imply Delacoert is hyper-reactive today ("calm down")...
...You judge his inward motives ("intent on dissing")...
...You then further dog his motives, assuming "care" shown in truth-telling is in some way misguided...
...And then you presume to become Delacoert's personal "holy spirit" to redirect his "care...worrie[s]" elsewhere because obviously your seeming absolute priorities re: whom he should spiritually comment upon don't align with his.
And you're telling Delacoert to "calm down?"
Delacoert, you're not hyper-active, ill-motivated or misdirected, are you? (Rhetorical question only, actually -- I just wanted to restate/summarize CaliGirlGodHelpMe's subtle "dissing" of you...)
So, CaliGirlGodHelpMe, allow me to quote from the CaliGirlGodHelpMe Five Commandments...which ye may want to apply to thyself:
#1 You seem so intent on dissing Delacoert you forget that he love(s) God, just like you.
#2 What difference does it make that Delacoert has those beliefs that contradict with Mormons?
#3 Delacoert no doubt is a good, law abiding person who could be raising great kids and who live(s) a clean life
#4 Why do you care so much about Delacoert's conflicting dogma? [see #2...sounds like a CD Skip]
#5 If I were you, on a Sunday, I would be worried about the many people who don’t even ACKNOWLEDGE God, much less love Him. ['Cause we know Delacoert acknowledges God]
(If you'd actually bother to explain your outright hypocrisy, inconsistency, and two-faced standards in just numbers 1 & 5, I'd be satisfied with that)
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Yeah, I’m a terrible hypocrite. Also inconsistent. It’s the heat. :))
Having those things on the list as a freepathon fundraiser would be interesting. It’s one way to harness the energy expended on religious disagreements, basically where the phrase “axe to grind” came from. I think the religious forum’s various topics are excellent and help keep discussion civil. Basically, even though you have a tougher job to do, you do it better than the other mods because you have such straightforward guidelines. Keep up the good work.
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