[NYer]

For ‘apostate’ discussion with our illustrious fundamentalist brethren.

[NYer]

We know that there were many churches in existence in those early centuries that did not agree with Roman doctrine, because they were persecuted by the Romanists and are mentioned in the writings of the “church fathers.”

But ... wait ... didn't he say we should not trust the Church Fathers?!

[wagglebee]

This is hysterical!

[elcid1970]

Why don’t we just change the name of this website to

“FundamentalistRepublic.com”?

I mean, whoever said Catholic-bashing is the last remaining prejudice that is still socially acceptable, knows what they’re talkin’ about.

[thefrankbaum]

Ignatius (c. 50-110)
Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century. He was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom.
...
2. He taught that all churches are a part of one universal church.

[NYer]

We don’t need anything beyond the Bible.

But .... where does it say that in the Bible?

I served as lector today and the reading was 1 Thessalonians 2:1-13. In it, St. Paul notes: And for this reason we too give thanks to God unceasingly, that, in receiving the word of God from hearing us, you received not a human word but, as it truly is, the word of God, which is now at work in you who believe.

No mention of reading the Bible.

[IrishCatholic]

Where do I order the Jack Chick comic book “The Death Cookie”?
Oh, and who compiled the Bible?

[Alex Murphy]

David Cloud PING!

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[WOSG]

“The term “church fathers” is a misnomer that was derived from the Catholic Church’s false doctrine of hierarchical church polity. These men were not “fathers” of the church in any scriptural sense and did not have any divine authority. They were merely church leaders from various places who have left a record of their faith in writing.”

YOU MEAN LIKE THE GUY WHO”S WRITING THIS ARTICLE?!?!

The mind/head boggles at the self-contradiction.

Christian theology wasnt formed fully ex nihilo. If you ignore post-Scriptural writings, you can toss out all the protestant theologians as well.

JMHO.

[WKTimpco]

I agree. Errors have their source. It would be so nice to have my doctrine delivered to me on a platter by traditions. It takes a lot of work to go back to basics. I have to struggle with meaning a lot, but the end result is closer to what was intended than the reliance on traditions. There are so many errors even in non-religious society that just are accepted as truth because that’s what everyone says and what everyone seems to have always said. I see the same thing going on in religious traditions versus relying on the source.

[narses]

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[Mad Dawg]

In fact, one of the Post-Nicene “fathers” is Leo the Great, the first Roman Catholic Pope!

This whole article is ... well, I'm laughing so hard I think I pulled a muscle.

[wombtotomb]

Herein lies the cundundrom;

If the Church became apostate in the first century after Christ, while there were still those who knew and were instructed by Apostles who walked with Christ, then how does one TRUST the Bible as inerrant if the very people who they claim were in error decided which books were canonical? Either they were right, or the Bible is a collection of books put together by heretics. It can’t be both.........

[Campion]

His argument that "the church fathers look Catholic because the wicked Romanists only allowed their Catholic writings to survive" is an amusing one.

How does he account for all of the Orthodox churches which have bishops, believe in Apostolic succession, believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, have seven sacraments, and reject sola scriptura ... and in some cases, were out of contact with Rome -- to say nothing of Rome's inability to tell them what to believe -- almost from apostolic times?

I'm thinking of the Armenians and the Ethiopians, but even more of the "Mar Thoma" Christians in India, who hold that their communities were founded by the Apostle Thomas himself.

They aren't ultramontane Latin Rite Catholics, but definitely aren't Baptists, either.

[boatbums]

Thank you for posting this. I have copied it and plan to do more research. Can you tell me what exactly in this article describing early church “fathers” beliefs is inaccurate? Are the dogmas quoted as coming from these men not stated correctly? It would be helpful to know where Roman Catholic extra-Biblical doctrine originated. I think this article, which seems well researched, is a very good starting point. I do not agree with you that these statements are somehow persecution of the Roman Catholic faith. It also seems unhelpful, from others’ posts, that non-Catholics are somehow okay to deride yet Catholics complain when they perceive they are being called wrong.

[TASMANIANRED]

Funny how that happened.

[Petrosius]

We don’t need anything beyond the Bible.

Which would include everything following said by the author or commentary by any Protestant pastor or author, no?

[Convert from ECUSA]

I guess Mr. Cloud will also hold me guilty as well, because when I was still Anglican I started reading many of the Church Fathers. Many of their writings helped me to consider researching the Catholic Church further to see what it really taught and why instead of what I'd been told years earlier by Fundamentalists when I was a teenager. To paraphrase Bishop Sheen, most people don't dislike the Church, they dislike what they think is the Church (e.g., a caricature, not the real thing).

[Kolokotronis]

Ping for the orthodox laugh of the day. The posts are funny too and not only the protestant ones.... :)

[Zionist Conspirator]

Considering Catholicism’s negative attitude to the immemorial Sinaitic Tradition and the Rabbis who preserved it, to attack Protestants for not accepting the church fathers seems hypocritical.