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Beware the VeggieTales! (David Cloud's diseased mind strikes again)
Way Of Life Literature ^ | July 15, 2002 | David Cloud

Posted on 07/16/2002 2:47:43 AM PDT by Darth Sidious

VEGGIETALES; MORALISM WRAPPED IN ULTRA SILLINESS

July 15, 2002 (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061, 866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org)

VeggieTales is a popular entertainment format for children (video and music) with a focus on character traits, such as thankfulness, forgiveness, and obedience. The Veggietales materials are advertised as "Sunday morning values, Saturday morning fun."

The first VeggieTale video, "Where's God When I'm S-Scared," appeared in 1993 and in the nine years since then, the company (Big Idea) has sold 28.5 million videos, not to mention the audio tapes, cds, books, toys, clothing, games, etc. Big Idea is working on a full feature animated movie about Jonah, which is scheduled to appear on 1,000 movie screens this fall and which will doubtless draw many Christians to the vile movie theaters.

The founder of VeggieTales is Phil Vischer.

When I learned recently that VeggieTales are popular with many Bible-believing Christians, I decided to review some of the videos and songs. I was amazed.

A BRIDGE TO THE WORLD

The most dangerous aspect of VeggieTales for Bible-believing Christians is the eclectic philosophy of the music. You will find almost anything, Caribbean, rock, rap, boogie, belly dance, soft shoe, jazz, you name it. The song "Do the Moo Shoo" uses very hard rock and rap. This is a dangerous bridge to the world. It creates a taste in children for rock music and renders them insensitive of the difference between sacred and sensual musical styles. Even the VeggieTales Bible songs are jazzed and rocked up, thus creating a taste for Christian rock music in the youngest child.

ULTRA SILLINESS

VeggieTales founder Phil Vischer says that laughter is a key to teaching, that if you get people laughing, you can teach them anything. Let me ask a question: If this is true, why don't we find anything like it in the Bible? The Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice. Why don't we find Jesus making people laugh before He taught them spiritual truths?

I disagree with Mr. Vischer. I believe the ultra silly approach to teaching spiritual truths CHEAPENS the things of God. It brings the blessed truth down to the level of worldly cartoons. The Bible says that "foolishness is bound in the heart of a child" (Prov. 22:15). The last thing we need to do is encourage the innate silliness of children, as if they are not already silly enough without the help of sincere but misguided adults.

I'm not saying there is no room for laughter in working with children. I'm not saying that at all. I am saying that to turn the things of God into cartoons and to present eternal truths in the context of ultra silliness is to cheapen the truth. I am saying that we see nothing like this in the Bible, and it is impossible to conceive of Christ and the Apostles engaging in such things.

Consider the VeggieTales version of Nebuchadnezzer forcing Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego to worship the idol in the book of Daniel. The Veggie edition becomes the tale of Nebby K. Nezzer, manufacturer of chocolate bunnies, who tries to force Shack, Rack, and Benny to worship a giant bunny.

Vischer admitted to the press recently that VeggieTales is "kind of the equivalent of what if Monty Python took over your Sunday school class" ("Funny Vegetables with a Message," Associated Press, Jan. 23, 2002). Is that really what God's people want for their children?

Even Sunday School songs, such as "This Little Light of Mine," are sillified in VeggieTales.

INSUFFICIENT, DANGEROUS MESSAGE

Furthermore, VeggieTales presents an insufficient, dangerous message. There is moralism without the Gospel, and that is spiritual death. Jesus Christ told Nicodemus, a very religious man, that his religion and morality was not sufficient. Jesus said, "Ye must be born again" (Jn. 3:7). Moralism without the new birth is empty religion.

One of the themes of VeggieTales is "God made you special, and he loves you very much!" That is true enough as far as it goes, but if that message is not accompanied by the preaching of the Gospel -- that each person is a fallen, hell-bound sinner and that only through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ can we be saved -- it is worse than meaningless, because it gives the false idea that every person is right with God and heaven-bound as long as they are "good."

Not only is there no clear Gospel in VeggieTales, but there are unscriptural messages. The video "Dave and the Giant Pickle" is dedicated to the psycho-babble theme of "self-esteem." The song "Oh Santa" from "Silly Songs with Larry" is about the mythical Santa Claus.

Beware of VeggieTales.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Religion; Society; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: cheese; christianity; davidcloud; montypython; veggietales
Yes, David: the faith once delivered must be defended against computer-generated vegetables...

...but hey, what can we expect from a nut who thinks The Lord Of The Rings is a tool of Satan?

1 posted on 07/16/2002 2:47:43 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Snake65; Robert_Paulson2; Hodar; JenB; nothingnew; steve-b; Notforprophet; Ward Smythe; ...
Since y'all got a kick out of the "Tolkein" article, here's a new one for your mirth and merriment :-)
2 posted on 07/16/2002 2:52:08 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: lowbridge; Lazamataz; Sabertooth; RosieCotton; RogueIsland; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; ...
Ping!
3 posted on 07/16/2002 2:56:17 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: GeronL; Jeremiah Jr; Sir Gawain; Monkey Face; AUsome Joy; ecurbh; JohnHuang2
Ping
4 posted on 07/16/2002 3:01:05 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: Darth Sidious
The writer is serious?

Who starched his underwear?
5 posted on 07/16/2002 3:22:48 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Darth Sidious
Oh for goodness sakes.....

Our church used Veggie Tales 'Jonah' for their Vacation Bible School......

...and the words & music truly reached those young people.

Why shouldn't we cast our net to these young folks ....with Biblical truisms enfolded in the catchy tunes of Veggie Tales.....

..BEFORE these youngsters get caught up in the
destructive rap & hardcore lyrics of our present day rock n roll.

6 posted on 07/16/2002 4:48:13 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: AppyPappy
Pingaroo
7 posted on 07/16/2002 5:41:09 AM PDT by Ligeia
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To: Guenevere
Our church used Veggie Tales 'Jonah' for their Vacation Bible School......

So did we. Big mistake. It was a long advertisement for the movie. The kids liked the old Veggietales VBS curriculum better.

8 posted on 07/16/2002 5:57:57 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Darth Sidious
"No more fun of any kind!"
-Dean Vernon Wormer

9 posted on 07/16/2002 6:40:40 AM PDT by Snake65
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To: Darth Sidious
Even the VeggieTales Bible songs are jazzed and rocked up, thus creating a taste for Christian rock music in the youngest child.

You know a thousand years ago, he would've been a real hit with the "harmony is of the devil crowd."

BTW, "Ward Smythe" was killed in the religion wars...lets just say he was a friend of mine...

10 posted on 07/16/2002 6:46:25 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: Darth Sidious
I guess he wouldn't care for the love song "His Cheeseburger".
11 posted on 07/16/2002 6:52:27 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: VRWCmember
Thank you for putting that song in my head today. Now I need to go watch the Ultimate Silly Songs with Larry.
12 posted on 07/16/2002 8:20:16 AM PDT by splach78
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To: Darth Sidious
My only problem with VeggieTales is the relentless abundance of merchandise. I'll sit with my daughter and watch "Madame Blueberry" -

"A thankful heart
is a happy heart.
I'm glad for what I have.
It's an easy way to start."

However, now I can't take my daughter to a Christian Bookstore, because when it's time to go, I have to drag her, kicking and screaming, down from the mountain of VT garbage.

I've always wondered if kids really learn the lesson they're supposed to when they watch this sort of stuff.

13 posted on 07/16/2002 9:13:51 AM PDT by Right_Wing_Mole_In_Seattle
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To: Darth Sidious
VeggieTales founder Phil Vischer says that laughter is a key to teaching, that if you get people laughing, you can teach them anything. Let me ask a question: If this is true, why don't we find anything like it in the Bible? The Bible is the sole authority for faith and practice. Why don't we find Jesus making people laugh before He taught them spiritual truths.

Well, there is your problem right there. Imagine...Jesus laughing!

One of my favorite drawings of Jesus is the "Laughing Jesus" picture....

14 posted on 07/16/2002 9:33:50 AM PDT by Portnoy
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To: Darth Sidious
I disagree with Mr. Vischer. I believe the ultra silly approach to teaching spiritual truths CHEAPENS the things of God. It brings the blessed truth down to the level of worldly cartoons.

Oh sure...I suppose putting 3rd graders into neat little rows and reading Calvin's Institutes to them is far better for them than trying to convey truth through other formats.

I've run out of patience with fools in the Christian church.

15 posted on 07/16/2002 9:33:53 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: Darth Sidious
I will say, however, that I tend to be suspicious of anything that takes on the character of a "fad" within the Christian church. This would include Veggietales. My perspective on Veggietales isn't the same as Mr. Cloud's, but I generally am wary of anything that becomes a popular sensation within the mediocre church....

Consider me a crank, but I'm wary of the success of "The Prayer of Jabez." Wilkerson has turned that little prayer in the OT into a successful cottage industry for himself (or his publisher has).

16 posted on 07/16/2002 9:50:22 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
I agree. My son can barely sit still for more than 20 minutes at time in church, but he loves Veggie Tales and is definitely interested in the videos and books.. No one else out there, presents moral and biblical issues like they do.
17 posted on 07/16/2002 10:03:14 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: Aggie Mama
Good report. Wouldn't you just hate to be part of Mr. Cloud's church? Ugh. Tedious, pedantic Christian ministries are a dime a dozen (and even at that, they're overpriced). Whatever interests people -- especially little people -- in the teachings of Jesus is OK by me.
18 posted on 07/16/2002 11:08:30 AM PDT by My2Cents
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To: VRWCmember; Darth Sidious; splach78
He said to her I'd like a cheeseburger
And I might like a milkshake as well
She said to him, "I can't give you either"
And he said, "Isn't this Burger Bell?"
She said, "Yes it is, but we're closed now,
But we open tomorrow at ten."
He said, "I am extremely hungry,
But I guess I can wait until then."

Cuz you're his cheeseburger
His yummy cheeseburger
He'll wait for you. Ya!
He'll wait for you.
Oh, you are his cheeseburger
His tasty cheeseburger
He'll wait for you
Oh, he will wait for you.

He stayed at the drive-thru till sunrise
He may have dozed off once or twice
When he spotted a billboard for Denny's
Bacon and eggs for half price!

How could he resist such an offer?
He really needed something to munch
Cheeseburger, please do not get angry
He'll eat and be back here for lunch!

Cuz you're his cheeseburger
His precious cheeseburger
Be back for you.
He'll be back for you.
Won't be so long, cheeseburger
Oh, lovely cheeseburger
Be back for you
Oh, he'll be back for you.

Cuz he loves you cheeseburger with all his heart
And there's nothin' gonna tear you two apart
And if the world suddenly ran out of cheese,
He would get down on his hands and knees
To see if someone accidently dropped some cheese in the dirt
And he would wash it off for you
Wipe it off for you
Clean that dirty cheese off just for you!

You are his cheese ... burrrr ... grrrrr!

19 posted on 07/16/2002 2:21:59 PM PDT by Palmetto
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To: Darth Sidious
Any show that features a cucumber singing a love song to a stuffed manatee is all right with me! My kids love these shows, and I have to admit I enjoyed them the first 150 times.
20 posted on 07/16/2002 2:26:52 PM PDT by ThinkingMan
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To: ThinkingMan
"Barbara Manatee" is great, but it is also hilarious to see and hear teenagers singing along with "Oh Where is My Hairbrush"!
21 posted on 07/16/2002 2:40:52 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Darth Sidious
I agree with the author. The Veggie Tales are too fun and do not support true religion.

Children must be taught the Holy Scriptures using only the King James Bible. Music is allowed but it must be boring and accompanied with an organ, not even an electric piano.

Children should be forced to dress like dorks and Sunday School teachers should be fat and ugly.

Only then will we be able to reach children with the Gospel of Jesus.

22 posted on 07/16/2002 3:58:38 PM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: VRWCmember
And I have never licked a spark plug
and I have never sniffed a stink bug
and I have never painted daisies on a big red rubber ball
And I've never bathed in yogurt
and I don't look good in leggings
and I've never been to Boston in the fall


I am tempted to sit outside this guy’s office with my Veggie Tunes. I shall take the French Peas along to throw slushies at him. This man is evil. He is leading me into temptation.

a.cricket
23 posted on 07/16/2002 4:21:00 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: Darth Sidious
Veggie Tales is awesome. Especially Larry Boy. I bought them for my daughters but I'm hooked.
24 posted on 07/16/2002 6:04:25 PM PDT by Michael2001
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Here is evil...

>
David Cloud (note the arrogant smirk and proud, haughty eyes)

25 posted on 07/16/2002 7:09:51 PM PDT by Darth Sidious
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To: another cricket
Stop that! It's silly.
26 posted on 07/16/2002 9:32:16 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Darth Sidious
I wonder what he thinks of fruit... or what folks do with IT?

Hey... I knew a girl who likes to peel bananas, with her teeth... and suck the insides out of a grape... I had to take that one home!!!

And what's he got to say about eating peaches and cream... darn I looooove eating peaches...

Poor daffid... he must be a really lonely guy... I wonder if he has issues dealing with the subject of cucumbers and pickles that he is NOT telling us about. . .

Thanks for the ping.... hehheh

btw... I think david's got a growing fan club here... Their motto?

"To the truly holy... nothing is pure... not even veggies... "

27 posted on 07/16/2002 10:24:55 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: VRWCmember
or "barbara manatee"
28 posted on 07/20/2002 6:29:55 AM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Darth Sidious
This guy is a bozo!!! My two girls are veggiefans and we can not wait for Jonah to come out.I am a "Pirate that wont do anything"
29 posted on 07/20/2002 6:33:34 AM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Darth Sidious
VeggieTales is "kind of the equivalent of what if Monty Python took over your Sunday school class"

Never having seen a Veggie video (no kids) this is something I might pay to see. Monty Python teaches Sunday School. LOL

30 posted on 07/22/2002 7:37:39 AM PDT by billbears
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