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Avoiding Doomsday Hype and Hysteria
American Vision ^ | Nov 17, 2009 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 11/17/2009 6:46:44 AM PST by topcat54

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To: UriÂ’el-2012; WayneS
Start by turning away from counter-reformation Jesuits.

I don’t follow any Jesuits, counter-reformation or otherwise.

What you and your friends don’t seem to be able to grasp is that disagreements over futurist fantastical interpretation of Bible prophecy has nothing to do with Jesuits. It does have everything to do with the unsupportable nature of the hyper-literal dispensational presuppositions. Likewise, it has much to do with offensive division in the body of Christ propagated by a race-based theology.

Pointing at Jesuits and using terms like “anti-Semite” and “replacement theology” is pure diversion.

101 posted on 11/18/2009 12:05:58 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54

Yet more unmitigated stinking piles of

REPLACEMENTARIAN et al

UTTER BALDERDASH!

LOL.


102 posted on 11/18/2009 12:09:23 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: JesusBmyGod; UriÂ’el-2012; WayneS; Quix; Lee N. Field
How in the world does one come to the conclusion that recognizing the "signs" of the times is suggesting a date for Christ's return is beyond me. Geezz..

The individual in question has already established a date for Christ’s return. Just look as his FR page. 2012 is the date. The 3 1/2 year countdown has already started.

Smells like date setting to me.

“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” (Matt. 24:44)

103 posted on 11/18/2009 12:11:36 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Quix

“I gather you have no real answer as to why “Christians” would still propound a theory they know to be false.”

The premise is falacious in the above statement.

Christians who disagree with your position do not propound or endorse a theory they know to be false. They disagree. They support their position with facts and scripture.

They often even use incisive arguments instead of html to make their points.


104 posted on 11/18/2009 12:12:21 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Quix

105 posted on 11/18/2009 12:12:38 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54
“Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.” (Matt. 24:44)

AND we are told what leads up to that hour. Furthermore, we are also told the return would be like a thief in the night. NOW what are the conditions that allow a thief to enter in the night? Why almost everybody thinks 'he' is already here.

106 posted on 11/18/2009 12:14:39 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Quix
Didn’t sound like that kind of wording to me.

Maybe your ears are blocked up.

107 posted on 11/18/2009 12:15:26 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Just mythoughts
AND we are told what leads up to that hour.

And anyone who deliberately sets a date of 2012 is smarter than Jesus.

108 posted on 11/18/2009 12:19:51 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: topcat54
And anyone who deliberately sets a date of 2012 is smarter than Jesus.

When Christ spoke His words he was still in flesh. BUT he said the 'wise' would know the season. And there are specific events that when they occur one will KNOW the hour.

Now this 'date' setting business is no different than the opposition that claim that the kingdom is already here or that what happened in 70 A.D. represents the majority of what was foretold.

We are told the 'times' would be like labor pains... and anyone who takes the time to look at what is a natural normal progression of time in regards to labor knows there are three stages and the last stage once it begins happens quickly unless somebody injects a medication to slow it down.

I have lived through date setters and they are just a relevant to me as those who claim the kingdom is already here, or any number of other denominational claims as to what is going to unfold.

Christ said all but the 'elect' those Paul says were predestined before the foundation of this flesh age would be DECEIVED... and there is nothing you or I can do to change what has already been set in motion.

109 posted on 11/18/2009 12:28:59 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: esquirette

News to me. I haven’t observed that hereon.


110 posted on 11/18/2009 12:29:18 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

LOL. What do you teach?


111 posted on 11/18/2009 12:35:55 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: Quix
Yet more unmidgetated steenking piles of REPLACEMENTARIANetal
UDDERBARDLERDASH!

Ahh, the familiar warm glow!

112 posted on 11/18/2009 12:36:20 PM PST by Lee N. Field (I am not a navi, nor do I ramble on pretending to be one on teh Interwebz.)
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To: esquirette

Psychology.

Usually Intro.


113 posted on 11/18/2009 12:43:05 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: esquirette
That's fascinating.

Who knew that the technology existed in 70AD to number every person on the face of the earth? When was the Mark of the Beast implemented? To think that Antioches Epiphanes was the Antichrist! Was all of Revelation fulfilled in 70AD, or just Revelation 13:18? Because if we have already had the Antichrist, then there are many prophecies that must have been fulfilled around the same time, right?

Tell me, how exactly did they go about drying up the Euphrates River in 70AD? When was the Gospel preached to all the nations? When did 100-pound hailstones fall from the sky? Where can I read about the 200 million man army from the East that marched into the Valley of Meggido in 70AD since none of this is recorded in Scripture and it's not in any history book ever published?

Why did we have the rebirth of Israel in 1948? If Jerusalem was forever removed from being the burdensome stone in 70AD, why has it now returned to that status? When did all the Jews shout, "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord," as Jesus said they would?

I think it's amazing that it appears that only few people know that such earth-shattering, momentous events happened 2000 years ago!

Can you refer me to some credible, verifiable history texts which can educate me as to how the book of Revelation already happened in 70AD?

Thanks in advance.

114 posted on 11/18/2009 1:41:08 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: JesusBmyGod
How in the world does one come to the conclusion that recognizing the "signs" of the times is suggesting a date for Christ's return is beyond me. Geezz.

That "conclusion" is simply a mechanism used by those who deny that the entire Word of God is inerrant and factual, including and especially the book of Thessalonians since the description God gave of the Rapture is in that Book, and is merely a tool to attempt to discredit those of us who accept and believe every word of Scripture, including the promises made by Christ to remove His Church before He judges a wicked world.

It sinks like a lead balloon of course since nobody who believes what Christ says about the Rapture sets dates for that event.

Those who accuse others of date setting based on our belief in what Christ commanded us to do - look for and recognize the signs He gave for His return - are the same people who discard most of the Bible, since approximately two-thirds of Scripture is prophecy- and therefore have exactly zero credibility in these discussions and are not to be taken seriously whatsoever.

115 posted on 11/18/2009 1:58:13 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: topcat54; UriÂ’el-2012; WayneS
It does have everything to do with the unsupportable nature of the hyper-literal dispensational presuppositions. Likewise, it has much to do with offensive division in the body of Christ propagated by a race-based theology.

Is God finished with the Jews?

If not you're wrong.

116 posted on 11/18/2009 3:35:03 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Too much Scofield.


117 posted on 11/18/2009 3:39:31 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette

Thanks. I have my answers.


118 posted on 11/18/2009 3:41:00 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: wmfights
Is God finished with the Jews?

No, and neither is He finished with the gentiles.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal. 3:28,29)

If not you're wrong.

Hardly.

119 posted on 11/18/2009 4:28:11 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Lee N. Field; Quix
Ahh, the familiar warm glow!

The Gospel according to HTML.

120 posted on 11/18/2009 4:30:57 PM PST by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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