Can Catholics Be Christians?

The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

[Iscool]

you ignored my post that notes THERE WAS NO BIBLE IN THE FIRST CENTURY, or second, or third....i can post equally, in fact, more, showing the church, along with sacred tradition and eventually, the whole of the bible were on equal footing.

so, you are left again, with my original point, during the time of no bible, and only the apotles and their successors were there, WHAT ENTITY WAS IN CHARGE?????? it was the ‘pillar and foundation of the truth’, the visible church. and again, you miss the point, the fathers of the church, studied the scriptures directly from the sources i just mentioned and all all were catholics, subjecting themselves to the roman pontiff, sacred tradition and the church....

My point is your early church Fathers are telling you that you are wrong...They are telling you that if you can't back up your theology with scripture, you are a gnostic...

In all of Paul's epistles to the church, or in any of the scriptures, nowhere is there any demand, suggestion or even a hint that anyone should subject himself to a Roman Pontiff...

I'd have to do some searching again but there is recorded history that states when your version of religion turned to pagan Rome and Constantine, there was a sizable church split...Many Christians wanted nothing to do with Rome and her Pagans...

[Iscool]

St. Irenaeus speaks of an oral gospel later written down. In much the same way, his oral teachings are available to us now because he wrote them down.

Don't you wish...Irenaus knew the difference between the Holy Inspired words of God put into written scripture and your catechism...A pity you don't know the difference...

[Iscool]

It is by the grace of Christ and the “merits” of His passion that Mary is made sinless. Christ is just as necessary to protect her from sin BEFORE she committed one as He is to protect me from sin after I have committed many.

God does not protect Mary or you from sin...God protects Christians from the rightful result of sin..

[Theo]

No, God is the author of Truth. And, to be frank, that’s not found in the Roman Catholic Church.

Maranatha.

[Iscool]

Tomorrow I will go to the doctor to ask for his help in throwing off whatever is troubling me. I will also ask God for help, and I may ask for the intercession of St. Blaise, as I have already asked for the intercession of some of my friends. Which of these requests would the Protestants consider to be worship, I wonder.

I'm actually sure you don't wonder...Asking for intercession is one thing...Getting on your knees and bowing while praying to a statue is another...Asking someone to provide God's Grace to you would be worship...Asking a Saint to find your pet Iguana for you would be worship...And yet you guys always quip that 'we only ask for intercession'...Right, our eyes and ears are lying to us...

[Petronski]

I expect such ignorance.

Both sola fide and TULIP are false traditions of men.

Repent and turn to Christ.

[Iscool]

What does it cost thee, o Mary, to hear us? What does it cost thee to save us? Did not Jesus entrust to thy hands all the treasures of his graces and mercies?

Thou extendest thy dominion as far as the heavens expand, the earth and all the creatures that people it are subject to thee. Thy power even reaches hell; and thou alone, o Mary, canst rescue us from the devil’s grasp. Thou art almighty by grace, and therefore thou canst save us.

And full of confidence in thee, we throw ourselves at thy feet, we trust ourselves as feeble children into the arms of the tenderest amongst mothers and today, this very day, we expect from thee the graces we are longing for.

The pope is worshipping Mary and attributes to her what is only available directly from the God of Creation...

we, thy happy children chosen by thy goodness in this century to build thee a temple at Pompeii, kneeling at thy feet on this solemn day to commemorate thy latest triumphs on the spot where idols and demons were formerly worshipped

And why would anyone want to build a temple on a sight that is inhabited by demons???

[Petronski]

Irenaus knew the difference between the Holy Inspired words of God put into written scripture and your catechism...

Quite a feat, since I have no catechism.

St. Irenaeus, however, understands all too well the glory of the truth transmitted to us by the Church founded by Christ, the Catholic Church.

[Petronski]

The pope is worshipping Mary and attributes to her what is only available directly from the God of Creation...

You ought to give up with the mind-reading already. You're just not any good at it.

[the_conscience]

Both sola fide and TULIP are false traditions of men.

What are they?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

And I do hope if I fail to finish the sentence, you will understand that I do mean it that way.

[Petronski]

And, to be frank, that’s not found in the Roman Catholic Church.

I'm pretty sure there's more than one Catholic Church in Rome.

When did you visit Rome?

[Petronski]

I’m so shocked—SHOCKED—to see you offer repeated Amens to a thread so full of misunderstood Christianity.

[Petronski]

False traditions of men.

[Alamo-Girl]

Truly, God knows our hearts. He knows us better than we know ourselves. And He loves us anyway.

Praise God!!!

[the_conscience]

What are those traditions?

[Quix]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

PRAISE GOD FOR THAT.

BLESS YOU AND YOURS THIS CHRISTmas season.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[Alamo-Girl]

And may God bless you and your loved ones, also!

[Quix]

I’m partial to Pepto-Bismol for that region! LOL.