Did the Catholic Church Give Us the Bible?

Creation Science Evangelism ^ | 2010 | Joshua Joscelyn

[Free Vulcan]

It’s worse. I didn’t know this but in reading, after the Roman patriachate split off after the Great Schism, Antioch and Alexandria continued to do so into many others.

Anway, my main objective in all that ad naseum was to make the point that Roman Catholics that they have their own history of heading off in their own direction, just like the Protestants. Not saying it’s good or bad, just saying that it is.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***.. that Roman Catholics that they have their own history of heading off in their own direction***

Back about thrty eight years ago I read an interesting newspaper article by an Orthodox priest. He claimed that in the Great Schism, the Catholics left the “true church”.

His words, not mine.

[AlaninSA]

Good grief, man, what do you think Catholics do?

Christ IS the center of the Catholic Liturgy of the Word and the Catholic Liturgy of the Eucharist.

Please educate yourself — or re-educate yourself in the truth and stop believing the propaganda that you seem to dig up!

You're kidding, right?

Christ is but a part-time player in the liturgy of the word in your church...and, although the eucharist is allegedly Christ-centered, there are a number of other "distractions" in that portion of your Sunday services.

And yes, I do know. I used to subscribe to the same viewpoint.

[Cronos]

Yes, these are the days of apostasy and people are turning away from the truth and following lies.

Which would be true if they were leaving The Church yes. remember that The Church has been founded by Christ and has been around 2000 years since Christ.

[Cronos]

Origen, was extremely proactive in his aggressive revision of God’s Holy Words. His version combined his own works known as the Apocrypha with the Hebrew New Testament in a Greek version (the language of the proud intellectuals of Alexandria).

ookayyyy, so Origen wrote the Apocrypha himself?

[Cronos]

Nope, the Orthodox, Oriental (Coptic, Armenian etc.) and Chaldean churches are part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[bogusname]

As I’ve said before, I’m just trying to show that Catholicism is the practice of worshipping a man made religion. Every small part of the Catholic faith is designed to do but one thing. That is to make the Catholic feel Holier through Catholicism than if they simply went straight to Christ as the Bible tells us to. The basic message of Catholicism is, “you might not be heard by going straight to Christ so here are some things you can do to get a better connection.” Catholicism pushes people away from a one on one relationship with Christ. :-)

[Cronos]

Also sola interpretura and sola excerptura.

[Cronos]

That was a stawman, your post clearly implied that you thought the AUTHOR of this article was a nutcase. I don’t see how that could be miscontrued to say anything about you believing anyone who isn’t in The Church is like the author of this article.

[narses]

The True Church did, yes. Sad that people find attacking the True Church to be fun, especially during Lent. Ask yourself why?

[La Lydia]

In my opinion, people who behave in this insulting, overbearing manner are nutcases.

[wintertime]

attacking the True Church
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The **true** church! That’s what all cults preach.

[bogusname]

It’s not an attack and it’s not fun. No, it’s not the true church.

[narses]

Christ is but a part-time player in the liturgy of the word in your church...and, although the eucharist is allegedly Christ-centered, there are a number of other "distractions" in that portion of your Sunday services.

Patent nonsense.

[narses]

“It’s not an attack ...”

Yeah, it is. It is also an attack on facts, history and truth.

“...and it’s not fun. “

Odd and yet you keep doing it.

“No, it’s not the true church.”

Wrong. It was, is and always will be the One, True, Holy and Apostolic Church headed by Jesus Christ. I pray that you open your eyes and heart to that reality while you still have time.

[narses]

As I’ve said before, I’m just trying to show that Catholicism is the practice of worshipping a man made religion.

Hence your attacks are based on false teaching. The True Church teaches us that the ONLY way to Heaven is through Our Lord. Period.

Every small part of the Catholic faith is designed to do but one thing.

An accidental truth. The "one thing" is to SAVE SOULS.

That is to make the Catholic feel Holier through Catholicism than if they simply went straight to Christ as the Bible tells us to. The basic message of Catholicism is, “you might not be heard by going straight to Christ so here are some things you can do to get a better connection.”

Grammar aside, the sentence is a blatant falsehood. Recall WHO the Father of Lies is. Ask yourself the role he plays here.

[bogusname]

Well let me say most gently that I don’t agree. Thank you for your prayers though. I’ll pray for you as well.

peace

[narses]

Do you even understand what “cult” means?

[trisham]

I don’t know, but it does seem that something is happening.

[Cronos]

Roman Catholics often forget that when the show began there were five principal church centers that rose to prominence over the others: Rome, Antioch, Constantinople, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. For centuries they more or less co-existed.
Over time Rome more or less was estranged from the other four

That is not putting complete facts. The Pentarchy, as you correclty point out was initially a tetrachy: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Rome in that order of "respect" -- but that changed after the destruction of Jerusalem in 69 AD by Titus Flavius, son of Vespasian

After that, Jerusalem fell in importance -- the city itself was reduced to a town for centuries, not even gaining importance under the Muslim rulers but only reviving under the aegis of Israel.

The basis of faith then became Antioch, Rome, Alexandria -- and there is no information on who preceeded whom, and probably there was no issue around it since they were battling persecutions.

Constantinople started off as being under the Patriarch of Antioch, but then was raised to second in repect after Rome.

Alexandria and Antioch lost a lost of "weight" after the Monophysite heresy, when the vast majority of the Egyptians became Copts, so the orthodox (small "o" as there was no split between rome and constantinople as yet) Patriarch did not have nowhere near as many people to shepherd as the Coptic patriarch. Ditto for the Church of Antioch (to a lesser extent).

And, in 690 - 710, Syria and Israel were lost to the Saracens and soon too was Alexandria.

And then there were just 2, so the politics came to play!

So, it is incorrect to put it as Rome v/s the other four whereas it was really Rome v/s Constantinople -- and for much of the 1st millenia, Constantinople was really the more theologically richer, more developed and more cultured capital which gave us the Hagia Sophia and was truly the center of Christendom.

They didn't bother with the Latins (if you read the histories you'll find it astonishing how little the East talks about the West or vice-versa) and neither did the LAtins bother with them.

Antioch, Alexandria and Jerusalem were already reduced as I said above and now Rome spoke Latin ONLY and Constantinople spoke Greek ONLY -- they no longer spoke the same language, they were of different cultures (with the West being more barbaric) and they had other things to worry about -- Rome was spreading the gospel to the Irish, the Angle-Saxons, the Franks, the Germanics, the Scandanavians, the Vikings, the Western Slavs etc. and battling the Arian heresy of the Visigoths and Constantinople faced off against the Bulgarians and converted the Eastern and Southern Slavs

Anyway, i had a point and that was/is that it was Rome and Constantinople getting estranged from each other, not R v/s C, A,A and J

Chaldea is different case as they really had to separate themselves from orthodoxy due to Chaldea being under Rome's rival -- Parthia. Read the persecutions of Shapur II and you'll understand why they did not want to talk to us -- if they did they were persecuted as Christianity was the Official religion of the enemy of Parthia. The Church of the East was, in many ways, greater in area than any of the orthodox or Oriental Churches (since they were preaching over all of Persia, Central Asia, into China and Mongolia and into India)