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WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'
Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 1-23-10 | James Swan

Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

Back in one my old philosophy classes I recall lengthy discussions as to the relationship between names and reality, and then spinning around for hours contemplating the brain teaser of what it means to "mean" something about anything. The aftermath: an entire class of young minds slipped further into skepticism, as if the reality each twenty something experienced was completely unknowable. Of course, arriving at the conclusion that ultimate reality is unknowable is... to know something about ultimate reality! Ah, the futility of the sinful mind in its continual construction of Babel towers. Without the presupposition "He is there and He is not silent" the sinful mind does what it does best: it creates a worldview that can't account for the reality it truly experiences.

Despite the aspirin needed after attending such classes, it did force me early on to think about ostensive definitions, and the carefulness with which one defines terms. With theology, correctly using terms takes on the greatest moral imperative: one is speaking about the very holy God that created the universe. Think of terms that are used to describe Biblical doctrine, like "Trinity." One is using a term to describe a collection of factual data given by the Holy Spirit. If ever one should use caution, it should be with the construction of theological terms.

Consider the designator "Catholic Church." The Westminster Confession of Faith explains, "The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all." The Belgic Confession states that one of its primary distinguishing marks is the "pure preaching of the gospel." If one were pressed to point to that vital factor placing one in the Catholic Church, it is the work of Christ and His Gospel. It is the Gospel which unites the members of the Catholic Church. It is the work of Christ, grasped onto by faith that links those in the Catholic Church together. This pure Gospel is of such importance, that the apostle Paul states if anyone (including himself) preaches another Gospel, he should be eternally condemned.

But what about throwing the word "Roman" into the the mix? The addition of one simple word adds in an ingredient that changes the taste, so to speak. In this short mp3 clip, Tim Staples touched on what "Roman Catholic Church" means. He says "Roman Catholic" has popularly and un-technically come to be synonymous with the term "Catholic". He states "Roman Catholic" popularly means "you're in union with the bishop of Rome." Recent mega-convert Francis Beckwith concurs:

One of my pet peeves is the intentional overuse of "Rome," "Roman," "Romanist," etc. by Protestant critics of Catholic theology. Here's why: the Catholic Church is a collection of many churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. It's catechism--The Catechism of the Catholic Church--is that of all these churches that are in communion with one another and with the Supreme Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI. The theology found in that text, therefore, is not Roman Catholic theology. It is Catholic theology. That's the way the Church understands itself. Common courtesy suggests that those who are critical of that theology summon the respect to refer to it as such"[source].

I admit that I've often equated the two terms. I've used the term "Catholic" to describe Roman Catholics. It has taken a conscious effort on my part to keep the terms distinguished. On the other hand, I'm not sure how it's possible to "overuse" the word "Roman" when referring to those who actively and overtly pledge obedience to bishop of Rome. Beckwith is basically saying "Catholic" is the property of the papacy, and they will define the parameters of the word.

Whose theological usage reflects the teaching of sacred Scripture? Is union with the bishop of Rome an element of theological data mined from the Scriptures? Hardly. It's an extra-Biblical presupposition hoisted upon the text. One has to first assume the validity of the papacy and then read it back into the sacred text. The popular definition as described by Mr. Staples and Dr. Beckwith is entirely unbiblical.

There's one other theological term being thrown around with this: anti-Catholic. Recently Roman Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong stated he "temporarily suspended [his] ongoing policy of not interacting with anti-Catholic arguments and polemics." Well, after I ceased shaking in fear over this announcement, I scrolled through Armstrong's multiple diatribes to see his precise meaning of the term "anti-Catholic." His exact formula appears to boil down to: "One who denies that the Catholic Church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian" [source].

By applying Armstrong's standard, an Anti-Mormon would be one who denies that the Mormon church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian. Dave would probably say it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon. So, simply using the term "anti" as Armstrong suggests is either good or bad depending on one's presuppositions. According to Dave's definition, I would say it's a good thing to be anti-Catholic in the same way Dave would probably hold it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon.

Armstong's seemingly endless qualifications and examination of the term "anti-Catholic," as well as "his own definition" provoked me to apply what has been discussed above, and consider an alternate theological definition. If "Catholic" is connected symbiotically with the Gospel, wouldn't an anti-Catholic be someone who either denies the Gospel or denies it as that which unites the people of God into the universal Church? If a particular church overtly espouses a different Gospel, according to Paul, let him be anathema. If understood this way, it would be Roman Catholics who are anti-Catholics. Their Council of Trent explicitly rejected the Gospel in an official declaration.

How does one precisely refer to those in communion with Rome and obedient to the Bishop of Rome? Contrary to Beckwith, I've seriously considered using the word "Romanist." The term describes those devoted to the papacy quite succinctly. However, I was informed by another zealous defender of the papacy that "...many non-Catholic apologists are truly bigots at heart and they use 'Roman' as a derogatory insult. Their bigotry becomes even more clear when they use Romish or Romanist." No one wants to be thought of as a bigot. However, in the same Catholic Answers broadcast cited above, Tim Staples and his co-host positively referred to themselves as "Romanists" introducing their "open forum for non-Catholics" show, in which they only take calls from those outside of their worldview. Here is the mp3 clip. Perhaps they were kidding, although it's hard to tell.

I'm tempted to simply start using the term anti-Catholic for the reasons outlined. I can think of no better theological phrase to describe those who inject obedience to the papacy into the term "Catholic Church."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; freformed; usancgldslvr
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To: SoothingDave

philosophy


461 posted on 02/24/2010 6:33:49 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; wmfights; UriÂ’el-2012; Quix

Truly sad.


462 posted on 02/24/2010 6:34:36 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: 1000 silverlings

Philosophy?

That’s your excuse to just stop avoid talking with us?

Sad and pathetic.


463 posted on 02/24/2010 6:38:58 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Who stopped talking?


464 posted on 02/24/2010 6:39:27 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SoothingDave

Free will is Philosophy 101 in college. Talk about it all you want


465 posted on 02/24/2010 6:40:45 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
I do know the public sin of Prejean, Alinsky, Tutu, Wallis, Day & Berrigan.

You should take it up with the committee who gave them the award.

The Catholic Church did not give them the award.

466 posted on 02/24/2010 6:41:37 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: SoothingDave

“For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, ‘Abba! Father!’ The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.”


467 posted on 02/24/2010 6:43:56 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Have a bacon cheeseburger, it’s dinner time.


468 posted on 02/24/2010 6:44:14 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski
U-2012.I do know the public sin of Prejean, Alinsky, Tutu, Wallis, Day & Berrigan.

You should take it up with the committee who gave them the award.

The Catholic Church did not give them the award.

If you as a member of the RCC don't object, you must support it !!!
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
469 posted on 02/24/2010 6:44:24 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

lol


470 posted on 02/24/2010 6:47:05 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

So, you never sin? Amazing.


471 posted on 02/24/2010 6:51:41 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: 1000 silverlings

So there are some ideas that even God (as worked through you) can not abide?


472 posted on 02/24/2010 6:53:28 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

I am not a member of the RCC. I’m Catholic.

The Catholic Church did not issue those awards.


473 posted on 02/24/2010 6:55:04 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

You said the Roman church. Which I am a member of. I did not assume anything. You chose to accuse a whole group of people of sins they didn’t commit. THAT is bearing false witness, and you did that all on your own. It would be no different than me accusing your entire church of willfully breaking one of the Ten Commandments just because you choose to do so.


474 posted on 02/24/2010 6:58:33 PM PST by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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To: 1000 silverlings

He posts a double (compound) falsehood, and you’re laughing and encouraging him?

Amazing.


475 posted on 02/24/2010 6:59:21 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: SoothingDave

“And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, ‘Abba! Father!’”


476 posted on 02/24/2010 7:01:11 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

So, you want to argue for the “don’t matter what we do” position?

I’m sure it feels nice and warm.


477 posted on 02/24/2010 7:03:41 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

“Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness.”


478 posted on 02/24/2010 7:18:51 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

quote, quote, quote, quote, quote, etc.

How sad. Some people will die thinking they are immune from judgment from sin.


479 posted on 02/24/2010 7:22:55 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Petronski

It’s never failed to happen. - Your failures are how we know you.


480 posted on 02/24/2010 7:23:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Democracy, the vilest form of government, pits the greed of an angry mob vs. the rights of a man)
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