Posted on 04/19/2010 11:45:07 AM PDT by TaraP
(Interesting Perspective)
Many students of bible prophecy have missed the signing of the 7 year peace treaty in Israel simply because they have not taken God's word literally. Before I go on let me quote the 2 main verses that reveal this event in prophecy.
Daniel 9:26, 'And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself: And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end shall be with a flood, and until the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27, 'Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week: but in the midst of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. and on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes it desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined is poured out on the desolate.
For those who are fairly new to bible prophecy I will be giving a little bit of boring information that is commonly accepted as truth during this presentation.
The word week here can easily be proved to mean weeks of years. One way to prove this is to go back to Genesis where Laban gives his daughters to Isaac for a week and it is revealed that he fulfills his 7 years. As well, the first 7 and 62 weeks where fulfilled exactly to the day when the Messiah was cut off and died when using the one day equals a year formula or the weeks of years rather than week. So then 7 and 62 weeks of years is equal to 483 years.
The 70 weeks in Daniel 9: 24 equals 490 years. The remaining 7 years that is the difference has never been fulfilled.
Note that it is not uncommon for scriptures to have undetermined allotments of time dividing one event from another. This is the case in this 490 years. Though the first 483 were fulfilled to the exact day when Jesus the Christ was crucified, the last 7 years has never in history been fulfilled to the letter until recently.
Now to understand who will make this covenant we must unravel Daniel 9:26. Here we are told that the prince of the people who destroyed the city will make the covenant.
In 70 A.D. Titus was given orders from Rome to take Israel into captivity and to destroy the city of Jerusalem. Judging from this then it was the Roman Empire that destroyed the city. So then the prince who will make the covenant is to be a prince of Rome.
Well many would say that the Roman Empire does not exist today, however , that is not entirely true. The Western Roman Empire fell to Germanic hordes in about 400 A.D. but the Eastern Empire remained in Constantinople until the 1400s. The main religion in Rome became Christianity by order of Emperor Constantine around 200 A.D.
At some point it was declared the Holy Roman Empire and popes were given rule over Rome. Though it is true that the Roman Empire did not exist after the 1400s, the Holy Roman Catholic Monarchy existed to this day. Now in our time we have the European Union whose 10 full member states all rule under the Holy Roman Catholic Monarchy, hence the Empire still exists to this day.
If you will do a study of the kingdoms that were to rule according to dreams and visions throughout Daniel you will learn that Rome was to be the final kingdom before the end of this age.
In Daniel 2 the statue with the head of gold was to be followed by the kingdom of silver and then bronze, then iron and then iron and clay. We know from Daniel 8 that the Gold represented Nebuchadnezzar, the silver was the Medes and the Persians, the bronze was the Greeks and history proves that the final kingdom was the Roman Empire.
Though there are 27 nations that belong to the European Union, there are only 10 that are full members with veto rites. The other 17 nations are lesser states. So then the prince that must confirm the covenant must come out of the EU.
Now the word 'prince' in Daniel 9:26 can be translated prince, commander, chief or any other title that could be considered an authority. This prince is to make a covenant with many nations so we see that he has something to do with foreign affairs.
The word covenant can be translated covenant or agreement. However, it does not mean 'peace treaty' as so many teach. This teaching stems from the idea that because first Thessalonians 5:4 says, 'And when they cry peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them'. If you study the context of Thessalonians you will find that it pertains to the time of the rapture at the end of the 7 years and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. No, in order top recognize the 7 year covenant you must realize that it is not necessarily a peace treaty.
Joveir Solana, whose office was Secretary General of the Western European Union, made separate agreements with many Middle Eastern countries over several years prior to 2007. These agreements would give each country the right to receive loans from the EU for the purpose of bringing stability in many areas of their governments. These loans would require substantial financial commitments from EU full member states and therefore had to be fixed into the EU upcoming budget. The term of the EU budget is 7 years and was due for renewal on Jan. 01/2007.
On this date Jovier Solana made a quick trip to the required office and gave his signature 'confirming' the agreements that he had set up prior to this date and therefore fulfilled all of the requirements that are called for in Daniel 9:26,27.
Now according to Daniel 9:27 he is to bring an end to the daily sacrifice in Jerusalem. Many have argued that there has to be a temple built in Jerusalem before he can do this. I believe you will find that this is not true if you pay close attention to the scriptures surrounding this issue. We know from second Thessalonians 2 that the wicked sits in the temple as god, however this event does not take place until the end of the 7 year covenant. Therefore it does not require a temple in the midst of the 7 years. Some say that he sits in the temple in the midst of the seven, but scripture says they set up an abomination and this is better translated an idol and cannot be translated as a person.
All that is required in the temple grounds for Daniel 9:27 is a place to do sacrifice. Israel has this now. They have just finished building an alter of sacrifice recently that fits requirements laid down in old testament law. As we speak Israel is calling on Jews world wide to send money to purchase lambs for sacrifices they are planning this June. Sometime in mid June is the middle of the 7 year covenant. They exact date is unknown because scripture tells us that the sacrifice will be stopped 'around' the middle of the 7 years.
From Daniel 11:21-31 we know that the king of Syria is responsible for the command to take away the daily sacrifice. According to history the king of the North in this scripture is this king of Syria. We are told in the verses mentioned that he will move against the king of the south, which history and the scriptures tell us is Egypt. Scripture tells us that he is stopped by ships from Kittim, which today is Cyprus.
He will be angry at the covenant, probably because if the covenant was not in place these ships would not be there. We are told that he has intelligence against those that transgress the covenant. This is very likely the fact that they are doing sacrifices of thousands of lambs which I am sure is contrary to UN laws governing the handling of sheep. The EU is tied to the laws of agriculture put forward by the UN. Daniel 11:31 then tells us that 'arms rise up on his part and take away the daily sacrifice and set there the abomination that causes desolation.
Notice that arms rise up on his part. In other words he squeals but someone else does the dirty work. In Daniel 8:11 we find that it is the Little Horn that actually takes away the daily sacrifice and sets up the abomination that causes desolation.
More about him in a minute.
Recently Syria has been trying to mend fences with Egypt, however, more recently they have had a parting of ways. We can only watch and see how this drama unfolds. But know this, that we are approaching the midst of the 7 years. Everything is in place for prophetic scriptures to unfold as we speak.
Now concerning the Little Horn there is much debate on who this could be but if we look at scripture we can narrow it down quite a bit and I believe his identity is obvious once you have the right information. First of all Daniel 8 :8,9 points you at the geographic region that he must come from.
The male goat here is said to come from Greece in verse 21. It followed the Medes and the Persians in verse 20. History tells us that this goat was Alexander the Great and that 8:9 is speaking of the 4 generals that divided his kingdom. So from here we can see that the Little Horn is not the president of the USA or an up and coming king of England etc... He is coming out of the Middle East. There are a couple of clues here that could not have been recognized many years ago but are now definite give aways.
Now understand that the main countries today that should be watched, considering the 4 generals territories, are Greece, Turkey, Syria, Assyria, Iran, Palestine and Egypt.
First the Little Horn waxes great toward the east, south and the pleasant land. In recent months Turkey has been calling on Muslim nations to form what I will call a union. If he succeeds it could be said that he has waxed great toward Iran, Egypt and Syria and Palestine.
Second he rises up among the 10 horns of the EU. For several years Turkey has been trying very hard to be accepted as a full member of the EU and if he does will be the first Muslim member. He will also have risen up among them as 'another Little Horn'. It should also be noted that he is the only country in the territories of the 4 generals who is even trying. 9 out of 10 of the existing members support his membership.
Now once he joins he must devour three of the former horns. This has been taught to mean that he forces himself on three members but what if he rather is supported by three members and is handed their support through intrigue and a silver tongue?
Watch and pray that you might be found worthy of that day.
One very exciting development is the fact that Israel apparently now has more than one kosher red heifer ready for sacrifices in the Temple.
I would say that plans are well underway!
THe Temple will be built prior to the Tribulation. Look at the passage concerning the two witnesses.
Rev. 11:3And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand, two hundred and sixty days,...
The witnesses are prophesying outside the Temple for 3 1/2 years (360 days x 3.5). This may also answer your earlier question about how people come to know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior during this time. The witnesses are testifying.
Of fundamental importance in studying Prophecy is that the terms used are words used by God to communicate to man.
When He speaks of the Temple, he isn’t referencing any religious structure. Instead, His Word is consistent with itself. When He speaks of an abomination that brings desolation occurring in the Temple, it will be a dwelling place of God, not a false god.
Study His Word and let His Word interpret the meanings.
IMHO, neither the Great Tribulation, nor Rapture have yet occurred, we are still in the Church Age prior to the Second Coming. The Great Tribulation commences when Israel seeks security by signing a covenant with the AntiChrist en lieu of placing faith in what God provides her. 3-1/2 yrs into the Great Tribulation, Israel will recognize the AntiChrist at the Abomination of Desolation.
So do you believe the Tribulation stated this Passover?
Now there's a bold question. For that to be true, you would first have to make the assumption that this timeline is correct. That may well be the case, but ultimately we have no way of knowing. That's just my two cents worth.
I think that date has to do with the Prophecy/Prediction by Mark Blitz and JR Church that the 2nd Coming of Jesus will be in 2015 based on the Blood Moon Eclipses and the Jewish Festivals.
Thanks!
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The love of many. Not all. But we do see that things have changed in that regard.
From the YHvH commanded Feast of Trumpets in 2008 According to the Book of Jubilees, the cycle is offset by two years, Psalm 111 begins with Hallelu'yah Psalm 114 does not have Hallelu'yah Psalm 115 ends with Hallelu'yah A seven year period without YHvH at the center ( anti-christ ? ) Psalm 118 is Messianic. We are given three score and ten years. During this Sabbatical cycle as is spelled out in Joel, Acts and Revelation, Acts 2:20 'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS 21 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS Revelation 6:12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and this link and video The most likely date for the rapture is the Feast of TrumpetsNo but it might start this Feast of Trumpets.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
until the Feast of Trumpets 2015 is a Rabbinical sabbatical cycle.
beginning at the Feast of Trumpets of 2010.
Psalm 112 begins with Hallelu'yah
Psalm 113 begins with Hallelu'yah
Psalm 116 ends with Hallelu'yah,
Psalm 117 ends with Hallelu'yah
It appears to be a menorah without YHvH as the servant lamp !
Threescore and ten years for Israel is 2018.
there will be Solar and Lunar Eclipses on YHvH commanded Feast Days. Joel2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness
See: This link:
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of YHvH comes.
AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND
GLORIOUS DAY OF YHvH SHALL COME.
ON THE NAME OF YHvH WILL BE SAVED.'
and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became
black as sackcloth made of hair,
and the whole moon became like blood;
Solar and Lunar Eclipses in 2014/15
of 2010 as I believe that the anti-Christ
will commit the abomination of desolation
at Pesach of 2014 which is 3 1/2 years
into the seven year cycle.
You were saying ...
I’m not sure..
Well, you were answering someone else who asked when the 7 years started. Apparently, from this article, he (or she) is saying that this 7-year period of the Tribulation started on January 1, 2007.
This is the part that I read that said this ...
Joveir Solana, whose office was Secretary General of the Western European Union, made separate agreements with many Middle Eastern countries over several years prior to 2007. These agreements would give each country the right to receive loans from the EU for the purpose of bringing stability in many areas of their governments. These loans would require substantial financial commitments from EU full member states and therefore had to be fixed into the EU upcoming budget. The term of the EU budget is 7 years and was due for renewal on Jan. 01/2007.
On this date Jovier Solana made a quick trip to the required office and gave his signature 'confirming' the agreements that he had set up prior to this date and therefore fulfilled all of the requirements that are called for in Daniel 9:26,27.
Well, the first thing I would want to know from this writer would be
"Why have you waited for over three years before telling us this?"
But, you're gonna have a problem finding out the answer for this question, since the author is "Anonymous"... (which always inspires confidence for some writer being a good authority on some subject ... LOL ...).
I'm presuming that this writer just "discovered" this "interpretation" recently -- which then caused him (or her) to drop it into some website that accepts anonymous writers for the public to read.
Heck, we can't even trace back any articles that he's written on this one website, much less trace back his other "prognostications" that he's made over the last 30 years. For all I know, he blasts out a new version of his "predictions" using "anonymous" as an author and does so every three months... hoping that one of them will "hit" paydirt... LOL ...
Except in this case, he's three years "late" on the "call" for this item.
Those are my first thoughts on the matter, before going too much further.
Please ST, can you assist on this one?
I would be glad to "weigh in" on it from the same perspective that I always give in all these kinds of matters. And anyone who has read my posts before already knows it.
Just for sake of clarifying that here, it's Dispensational, Pre-Millennial, and Pre-Tribulational (in eschatology). So, that's how I am approaching these things -- and thus, when I comment on it, it's from that perspective.
And if anyone would disagree with what I'm saying, they're just going to be disagreeing with that particular eschatology, more than anything else.
And so..., the first thing I would say is that this author, by waiting for three years before saying anything about this event over three years ago -- has provided one very easy way to verify his understanding of it -- since we're approaching very quickly the 3-1/2 year mark -- at which time the sacrifices in the Temple are stopped and the Antichrist declares himself to be god.
So, one could say, "Just wait until the 42 month mark and see if it happens." and that will do it.
BUT, the problem is -- "There's no Temple there right now, or sacrifices going on."
I would say that a real big problem -- right off the bat -- in that there is no Temple. I can't see a Temple getting built in a couple of months, sacrifices started and then a few days later, the sacrifices stopped.... :-)
Furthermore, I don't think anyone knows who the Antichrist is -- who is the one who is supposed to be doing this -- standing the Temple declaring himself to be God.
Wouldn't that present a sort of big problem, in that no one knows who the Antichrist is and there's no Temple there and there's no sacrifices going on -- and -- we have only a couple or so months left before this is supposed to happen??
Someone might think this article was written on April 1, rather than the date it was written ... :-)
The bottom line is that this viewpoint that is presented, besides being three years late and having nothing "lined up" at the present time -- that is supposed to be happening -- it's simply not the Dispensational, Pre-Millennial and Pre-Tribulational eschatology that is taught and preached on and presented by many scholars, pastors, teachers and seminaries, from what they see being presented to us in the Word of God.
You can say that much about it -- or rather -- what it isn't... if anything ... :-)
I can go more into it from things that are said in the article, but I've got to run right now and sell a puppy (someone is coming over ... be back later...).
Got it. Full preterist. So you believe that the eschatology we’re discussing all took place in A.D. 70? No future return of Christ to the earth, no future resurrection of the dead?
There's an alternate viewpoint on the first part of Daniel 9:27...what if "he" who confirms a covenant is Jesus Christ? We know this his ministry was for 3 1/2 years and then he was "cut off" by his death. He confirmed a covenant with many, the new covenant. And he brought an end to sacrifice and offering via the new covenant.
Correct, though the resurrection of the dead is ongoing.
Would it fit with a post-tribulational model? (Best wishes concerning the puppy.)
Which brings up a litany of other problems.
If the GT began in 2007, then we are no longer in the Church Age and the GT is going to be the least of problems for those who have been left behind.
Next, why are they teaching this? If we are no longer in the Church Age, then there is no more need for teaching, because His Word is written in our hearts and minds, no more need for teaching.
Next, this implies there are ongoing events the likes of which the world has never seen nor endured. Don’t think so.
IMHO, it’s a great opportunity to return to Him and study His Word through faith in Him, so that we might be properly prepared when we find ourselves at the right place and right time to perform per His Plan as we are all to bear our own cross, just as our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus bore His in obedience to the Father and provided by the power of God the Holy Spirit.
Hi ST!
Thanks for weighing in, I am just wondering if this could happen without many Christians knowing?
I know GOD is our Sheild during these times, but can that also mean *un-knowing* Will we know who the Antichrist is, while we are still on earth? OR will the Antichrist be revealed in a secret manner?
True..But what about the 7 years in Daniel? that cannot be Jesus Christ...
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