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On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters)
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Posted on 07/06/2010 6:54:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: ArrogantBustard; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; ...

Some people assume or claim the MESSENGER is offensive, when it is the MESSAGE that offends people.

Now, are you claiming *I* am offensive? Do tell.

And, no not everyone who CLAIMS to be ‘preaching the gospel’ does so, some (like Mormons) preach ANOTHER (false) Gospel and as a Christian I find that offensive.

Do you subscribe to the view that all roads lead to Heaven?


261 posted on 07/06/2010 12:16:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Flightdeck
Oh, so that quote from John (written by men, by the way) wasn’t directed at me? If not, why’d you include it?

1) I included "that quote" from John because I was directing my comment to Roman Catholic apologists who cannot abide by the FR RF rules.

2) Do you know who spoke those words from John 3? Do you doubt that?

3) Do you doubt the Bible was written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

262 posted on 07/06/2010 12:16:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: editor-surveyor
The True Church’s Doctrine!

As defined by whom?

Take your time on researching that -- after all, you've got to sift through literally thousands of doctrines and denominations, all of which claim to represent the True Church.

Which one is the right one?

263 posted on 07/06/2010 12:17:54 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: hosepipe

I’d say

interesting.

Sometimes beautiful.


264 posted on 07/06/2010 12:17:54 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Amen!

"We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised." --1 Corinthians 4:10

265 posted on 07/06/2010 12:19:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
I will not pretend to accept false doctrine as true to make nice.. I am told to present the gospel and I will do that no matter who is offended.. I am not looking to make friends or faux christians so that we all can get along .. eternity is forever..

Your doctrine is the one true and correct one, then?

266 posted on 07/06/2010 12:19:44 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: 1000 silverlings

thx thx


267 posted on 07/06/2010 12:20:40 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: svcw

THX1138


268 posted on 07/06/2010 12:21:25 PM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Roast ox! It’s what’s for dinner. lol


269 posted on 07/06/2010 12:22:20 PM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: xzins

I try to...


270 posted on 07/06/2010 12:25:28 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I wasn’t sure if you had stopped doing so. Some giant RCC poster from the FR past has stopped....is it teofilo???


271 posted on 07/06/2010 12:27:15 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: ArrogantBustard; reaganaut; RnMomof7
Or maybe offensiveness isn't the be-all and end-all of preaching (or art) that some would have us believe.

And perhaps there's a difference between the sort of offense that the Gospel offers, as compared to what a preacher might offer.

The Gospel offends by making us uncomfortable about our own beliefs and behavior. A good preacher can do that, too.

But preachers can also be just plain offensive -- by being dismissive, arrogant, disrespectful, hypocritical, and so on. They may refer to the Gospel, they may even believe it ... but at the same time they have it in their power to chase people away.

If a preacher does that -- is he really preaching the Gospel? Or is he just being a prideful jerk?

272 posted on 07/06/2010 12:28:40 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: ArrogantBustard; RnMomof7

just an fyi, I was quoting Rnmom, my comments were BELOW the dashes.


273 posted on 07/06/2010 12:28:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl; presently no screen name; greyfoxx39; Godzilla; RnMomof7; Gamecock; ...
given that this is my first batch of french fries with my dentures

Wow - I just learned something new about Quix! It's learning about each other's differences (both big and small) that makes and keeps the Religion Forum constantly interesting, engaging and entertaining.

Case in point: I prefer my french fries with steak sauce or ketchup.

274 posted on 07/06/2010 12:29:36 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2503089/posts?page=9#9)
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To: reaganaut
Some people assume or claim the MESSENGER is offensive, when it is the MESSAGE that offends people.

AMEN!

You would think that disassociation would cause them to look inward to see why the truth makes them so uncomfortable that they are forced to call FReepers names and hurl other personal insults.

275 posted on 07/06/2010 12:29:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: reaganaut
Some people assume or claim the MESSENGER is offensive, when it is the MESSAGE that offends people.

Some offensive messengers refuse to believe that they themselves are offensive. Some people are convinced that offensiveness in a message is a measure of its truth. I find the message of the mohammedans offensive ... is that an indicator of its truth?

Now, are you claiming *I* am offensive?

I have made no personal remarks about anyone on this thread. I will continue that policy.

I CANNOT control what you or anyone else will choose to take personally, nor am I interested in trying.

And, no not everyone who CLAIMS to be ‘preaching the gospel’ does so

Certainly not everyone who claims to be 'preaching the gospel' is preaching what I think is the Gospel. In fact, what many folks preach who claim to be 'preaching the gospel' is contrary to what I think is the Gospel. A third party, trying to discern who is preaching the correct Gospel might have many criteria by which to judge. I suggest that offensiveness, whether of the preacher or the message, is a poor criterion for such judgment.

276 posted on 07/06/2010 12:30:05 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOLOL!


277 posted on 07/06/2010 12:31:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Way too much just to say, “Mind your manners”.


278 posted on 07/06/2010 12:31:49 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Flightdeck; Tennessee Nana
Sure about that? Check this very thread for confirmation of my original post.

The post in question contained a supposed inflammatory post.. Posting something like that without citation causes one to see the original post..

And my comment was a test. And you failed, like a half dozen others already

In other words there was no such post and when questioned it suddenly becomes a "test"

Funny but the one that failed the integrity test is not anyone that replied..

279 posted on 07/06/2010 12:32:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: r9etb
The Gospel offends by making us uncomfortable about our own beliefs and behavior.

Does it? Has everyone who ever heard the Gospel been offended by it? What do you mean by "offended"?

280 posted on 07/06/2010 12:33:16 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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