On intemperate and indiscreet zeal. (The Primary Fault of many Religion Forum posters)

Various | Various | Various

[presently no screen name]

LOL! Now that's zealousness - seeking out Truth.

I think we can honestly see the differences. The Word of God being the final authority.

John 2:17 And his disciples remembered that IT WAS WRITTEN, The ZEAL of thine house hath consumed him.

He's FULL of ZEAL!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Maybe you need to review the rules.

We can discuss and critique religions, faiths, practices, errors, blasphemies, idolatries, etc.

But we cannot "make it personal" by criticizing another FReeper personally.

Do you understand the difference?

[Flightdeck]

Oh, so that quote from John (written by men, by the way) wasn’t directed at me? If not, why’d you include it?

[Alex Murphy]

Much of the worst behavior on the Religion Forum is obviously the fruit of intemperate and/or indiscreet zeal. Once we all realize this, it should change our posting habits here.

What, me worry?

[reaganaut]

Too late now...You left your name and we’ll have the last word...

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Chuckle and (somewhat sadly) very true.

[ArrogantBustard]

I once heard it preached that if the gospel does not offend it is not the gospel .

Yes, offensive people often hold up their offensiveness as evidence of their righteousness. I've seen it often enough among modern "artists" ...

I'll note that Protestants seem to find Catholic teaching offensive ... that Catholics seem to find Protestant teaching offensive, that Christians, Jews and Moslems are all mutually offended by each others' teachings ...

I guess we're all "preaching the gospel", right? After all, we're all preaching something that offends somebody ...

Or maybe offensiveness isn't the be-all and end-all of preaching (or art) that some would have us believe.

[1000 silverlings]

All those reproaches, count it all gain

Psalm 69:9

For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.

Romans 15 :3

For even Christ did not please Himself; but as it is written, "THE REPROACHES OF THOSE WHO REPROACHED YOU FELL ON ME."

[greyfoxx39]

Hijack? This behavior was the whole point of the thread. And my comment was a test. And you failed, like a half dozen others already. Is this what passes for critical thinking in your community? what a joke.

Heinlein fan? (your tagline)

Now THERE was an "intemperate" fellow with a lot of "zeal" for unChristian thought and behavior...

Stranger in a Strange Land

His books were quite popular with the "free love" crowd in the sixties, now that "critical thinking" has been mentioned. In 1968, Tim Zell (now Oberon Zell-Ravenheart) and others formed a neo-pagan religious organization called the Church of All Worlds, modeled after the religion founded by the primary characters in the novel.

[Religion Moderator]

There is an important distinction.

I can and do intervene to keep posters from "making it personal."

There is nothing I can do to keep posters from "taking it personally."

Posters who continually take things personally are thin-skinned and should ignore "open" Religion Forum threads altogether and instead post to threads labeled "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or "devotion."

[reaganaut]

.. I am not looking to make friends or faux christians so that we all can get along

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Exactly. I would rather be hated for speaking the truth about Christ then be liked for having lied about it or soft sold it.

Now, that said, I do NOT like the little nit picky fights among the Body of Christ on MINOR points of doctrine, but when you start talking about the reliability of the Bible in matters of faith and doctrine, WHO Christ is, WHAT He did, Where He did it, and His relationship to God the Father, then we are at the point of salvific doctrines.

One thing I was taught in Bible college was that if the Bible is not CLEAR on a doctrine then it is PROBABLY not a doctrine that affects Salvation but rather a matter of conscience that should not divide the body of Christ.

[Lorica]

Yes, offensive people often hold up their offensiveness as evidence of their righteousness.

Right on.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You embedded this sentence

I didn't "embed" anything. I intended to make myself really really clear. If I didn't, I'll repeat what I said, highlighting and augmenting it for emphasis so that it is easily visible to everyone...

Roman Catholic apologists cannot defend from Scripture their idolatrous religious practices (Mariology, transubstantion, works-based salvation, justification through sanctification, priests as "another Christ,") so they base their filmsy rebuttal on personal insults, distortions, errors and "vain jangling."

Better?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

“transubstantiation.”

[caseinpoint]

I don’t have much problem with Freepers using zeal to preach their faith. Where we run into problems is expecting people to soft-peddle their true beliefs and feelings in order to avoid offending others. This kind of religious-correctness just encourages people to hide their feelings, which somehow find a way out anyway. I have always considered it better to allow someone to express themselves freely so I can know with whom I deal.

I have occasionally been tripped up by what I thought was an honest inquiry about my faith, only to be attacked once I posted what I thought was a simple, informational response. I have no respect for those who troll on this site merely to bash another religion but my getting bashed is my own fault. FR has a means by which we can see the posting history of any poster before we respond. And if we don’t want to go to the trouble of checking out a poster, once we are bashed, we have the screen name of the basher and can avoid fruitless debate with that poster. If you simply ignore the attempts to sucker you, the anti’s just end up debating each other with posts they repeat over and over.

We here at Free Republic should be very cautious about attempting to control the messages, beyond basic civility, of course.

[Elsie]

For the most part, it just takes a bit of humility, and a smattering of good manners.

I've got ALL of that' so I am ok!

Good to go!

[Flightdeck]

“I can and do intervene to keep posters from “making it personal.”

And based on how many posts meant for me have been deleted (in the past), you have a busy job. And that’s my whole point, the worst perpetrators are those who cloak themselves in a religion that rejects that very behavior.

[don-o]

lol, the pharisees accused Jesus of having too much intemperate zeal

Source please.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

You can checkout any time you like, But you can never leave.

LOLOL. That one has gotta be saved somewhere. 8~)

[Elsie]

If by "fixed" you mean, "made a dishonest change to feeed your own, personal prejudices." I will thank you to not do that again.

I wrote what I wrote for a reason. Your behavior simply reinforces my point about the perception of arrogant behavior by those who call themselves Christians.

 

 

Ouch!

I guess I'VE been told!!

 

MORMON

ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY

 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 

                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple

                            -- all you have is a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)

26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

 

 

Revision 46.2

Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.

All rights liable to be abused.

I'm superior...I have the "higher law" while everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).

90 posted on Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:09:40 PM by greyfoxx39 (Obama: "a guy who throws a baseball like a girl and eats cilantro" H/T Fishtalk

[don-o]

Jesus said they would know us by how much we LOVE ONE ANOTHER" not heathens or heretics ... We are to have no fellowship with darkness..

Critical point here. Having "no fellowship" does not obviate the command to love my neighbor, even my heretical and heathen neighbor. It is no great thing to love folks who are just like me. It's easy.

Loving that nasty _________ (inset most despised person / group) - there is the hard stuff. The impossible that is demanded.