Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
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Augustine (354-430)
Augustine was polluted with many false doctrines and helped lay the foundation for the formation of the Roman Catholic Church. For this reason Rome has honored Augustine as one of the “doctors of the church.”
1. He was a persecutor and the father of the doctrine of persecution in the Catholic Church.
The historian Neander observed that Augustine’s teaching “contains the germ of the whole system of spiritual despotism, intolerance, and persecution, even to the court of the Inquisition.” Augustine instigated persecutions against the Bible-believing Donatists who were striving to maintain pure churches after the apostolic faith. He interpreted Luke 14:23 (“compel them to come in”) to mean that Christ required the churches to use force against heretics.
2. He was the father of a-millennialism, allegorizing Bible prophecy and teaching that the Catholic Church is the kingdom of God.
3. He taught that the sacraments are the means of saving grace.
4. He was one of the fathers of infant baptism. The ‘council’ of Mela, in Numidia, A.D. 416, composed of merely fifteen persons and presided over by Augustine, decreed: “Also, it is the pleasure of the bishops in order that whoever denies that infants newly born of their mothers, are to be baptized or says that baptism is administered for the remission of their own sins, but not on account of original sin, delivered from Adam, and to be expiated by the laver of regeneration, BE ACCURSED” (Wall, The History of Infant Baptism, I, 265). Augustine thus taught that infants should be baptized and that the baptism took away their sin. He called all who rejected infant baptism “infidels” and “cursed.”
5. He taught that Mary did not commit sin and promoted her worship. He believed Mary played a vital role in salvation (Augustine, Sermon 289, cited in Durant, The Story of Civilization, 1950, IV, p. 69).
6. He believed in purgatory.
7. He accepted the doctrine of “celibacy” for “priests,” supporting the decree of “Pope” Siricius of 387 that ordered that any priest that married or refused to separate from his wife should be disciplined.
8. He exalted the authority of the church over that of the Bible, declaring, “I should not believe the gospel unless I were moved to do so by the authority of the Catholic Church” (quoted by John Paul II, Augustineum Hyponensem, Apostolic Letter, Aug. 28, 1986, www.cin.org/jp2.ency/augustin.html).
9. He believed that the true interpretation of Scripture was derived from the declaration of church councils (Augustine, De Vera Religione, xxiv, p. 45).
10. He interpreted the early chapters of Genesis figuratively (Dave Hunt, “Calvin and Augustine: Two Jonahs Who Sink the Ship,” Debating Calvinism: Five Points, Two Views by Dave Hunt and James White, 2004, p. 230).
11. He taught that God has pre-ordained some for salvation and others for damnation and that the grace of God is irresistible for the true elect. By his own admission, John Calvin in the 16th century derived his TULIP theology on the “sovereignty of God” from Augustine. Calvin said: “If I were inclined to compile a whole volume from Augustine, I could easily show my readers, that I need no words but his” (Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book III, chap. 22).
12. He taught the heresy of apostolic succession from Peter (Hunt, ibid., p. 230).
John Chrysostom (347-407)
Chrysostom was a leader in Antioch, in the Greek part of the Catholic church of that day, and became “patriarch” of Constantinople in 398.
1. He believed in the “real presence” of the mass, that the bread literally becomes Jesus Christ.
2. He taught that church tradition can be equal in authority to the Scriptures.
Cyril (376-444)
Cyril was the “patriarch” of Alexandria and supported many of the errors that led to the formation of the Catholic Church.
1. He promoted the veneration of Mary and called her the Theotokos, or bearer of God.
2. In 412, Cyril instigated persecution against the Donatist Christians.
A WARNING OF THE POWER OF THE CHURCH FATHERS TO LEAD TO ROME
You have to read your own posts to know what you have posted? All righty then.
This is an excellent example of the lack of objectivity and standards in the anti-Catholic apologetics. When one accepts as credible an indictment of "all of the "Church Fathers" by a marginal professor at an insignificant institution nothing more need be said about your case. It failed to show up.
A mishmash of stuff thrown out there in the hope that something would stick to the wall.
So let’s ask another question — does your pastor actually support the Donatists?
So what other Church did you think they were the fathers of?
I expected better from boatbums, but there was no counter proof given anywhere in her long post, it was only personal opinions of some pastor with no backing evidence when he slurs a historical figure and all the pastor said was “Oh, this guy in the 1st century practised and preached about infant baptism, but I in the 21st century don’t like that, hence the 1st century guy must be wrong”
And from such you should see that there is a need for an earthly authority, which is the pope in communion with the bishops under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Do you believe everything thing proposed or written by a Protestant theologian? Do you accept everything as truth simply because it was written by someone who had written a truth you felt was provable on at least one occasion?
The Church does not make up out of whole cloth doctrines of faith. It first sifts through such theology testing each written word against Scripture and Tradition and accepts or rejects through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
As there is only one God, there is also only one truth. As God is infinite, so too is truth. But just as God is definitive so too is truth.
Imagine if the Church just accepted all the theological posits of its members as truth. It would have to redefine itself minute by minute. Chaos would result.
Well, I don’t have to imagine, this is a reality called Protestantism.
You might as well just post a simple “EVIL!!!” to every Catholic’s post. It will save you a lot of time and energy. Just have it ready in your reply box and hit the post button every time a Catholic submits a post here. You could use the giant size font and make it bright red to emphasize the evil and scary Catholic teachings.
Good point JV —> bb, why do you accept this pastor’s version of truth without any cross-verification or proof?
Cronos, all Protestantism is opinion.
Declaring as heresy that which they do not accept is itself an opinion as they have no authority in which to fall upon.
This is why they have such a diverse number of sects which are loosely based on similar beliefs, but differentiated by the practices(traditions) to which they adhere.
Scripture is valid only in so far as it disproves Catholicism.
I am confident that her spiritual gifts and blessings are from God.
Thank you for pinging me to this sidebar, dear brother in Christ!
THANK YOU Reggie, for that. It seems the Scripture’s PLAIN wording isn’t enough. How hard can it be to read what the word says? Unless you don’t LIKE what it says. Then what to do? I guess one can always start a religion, based not on what God’s Word says but traditions that say something very different...
Of course it isn't or God would not have added to the revealed Word of God through Apostolic tradition and subsequent revelation.
To attempt to comprehend the entire revealed Word of God from Scripture alone is like trying to play solitaire with an incomplete deck.
THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REPLY.
A laughable declaration considering that the Catholic church predates the written New Testament. Also, considering that the “plain language” of John’s discourse on the Bread of Life are rejected by protestants.
No where in Scripture is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit referred to as the Holy Trinity and yet Truth as defined by that very Church founded before the canon of Scripture.
THANK YOU Reggie, for that. It seems the Scripture’s PLAIN wording isn’t enough. How hard can it be to read what the word says? Unless you don’t LIKE what it says. Then what to do? I guess one can always start a religion, based not on what God’s Word says but traditions that say something very different...
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