Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
INDEED.
AMEN! AMEN!
They could never DARE to simplify it enough to clear up the misunderstanding of those who they set out to insure layers of obsfucations for—never wavering from that goal.
"What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit," preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. -Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Does RC teach that the Eucharist helps a person attain eternal salvation? Is it taken daily? Does the Church require Catholics to receive holy communion at least once a year during the Easter season? Is it a mortal sin to disobey this commandment of the Church? And what about the Worship of the Eucharist? "There should be no doubt in anyone's mind " that all the faithful ought to show to this most holy sacrament the worship which is due to the true God, as has always been the custom of the Catholic Church. Nor iis it to be adored any the less because it was instituted by Christ to be eaten."- Second Vatican Council
It doesn't sound like a "No" to me, mad dawg. Lots of questions here, I know. But I truly would like to see a concrete answer, if there is one. ;)
Man is a fallen creature. Since the ejection from Eden, mankind has been foul and corrupt, no matter how strong a desire for divine fellowship.
Man corrupts everything he touches.
With that in mind, I am hesitant to simply accept what is taught by man, what is said by man, what is done by man. So when something is taught about the Bible, and it is taught by Man, it is insufficient.
Language is a tool of man. God’s Word is written in language because we have no other way by which it can be communicated to us. As such, while the WORD of God is perfect, our ability to take it in is not perfect. That is where the understanding comes in.
Faith, Tradition and Reason. Together these pillars hold me up that I may live free and unafraid in my faith.
And again: Man is fallen and corrupt. With enough time, anything on Earth can be corrupted by man. Gotta use a brain to cut through the mud.
Close enough.
Good exposition.
I am sure you’ll have to pay some indulgences or penance or self flagilations for such clarity.
Every time Jesus encountered that mindset, He condemned it and responded with *It is written....*.
Well, I know that Christ used the words, "It is written" to rebuke the devil tempting Him in the wilderness. And He also said, "It is written, 'My house shall be called a house of prayer, but ye have made it a den of thieves.'" But none of those "counter tradition."
Where else? I've been looking through the KJV, just don't find it anywhere else in the NT, particularly when He was countering some tradition. BTW, which traditions did He "counter"?
Of course, PAUL said it a number of times, but PAUL is not Christ. Right? And no one worships Paul, right?
INDEED. Not easy being pretend supreme at all.
I imagine they even have to have
Prancing classes 101, 202 and 303
just to get it right so they can prance and twirl about in all those robes, capes and funny hats without knocking all the candles and little old ladies over.
Goodness!
Be careful there . . .
or you’re likely to have to do penance or self-flagilations for
too much clarity, too.
The confusion stems (I think and hope) from an almost total breakdown of a common language as we see in the fact that many Catholics can’t express their Faith in terms a Protestant could even begin to understand.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2555388/posts
I would appreciate your input on the linked article in the above thread.
“It is written.”
So, where, besides a coupleof places when Christ was in the desert being tempted, and when He was tossing the money-changers out of the temple, did He say, “It is written”?
Those are the only places I’ve been able to find in the KJV, where CHRIST said it. Of course, He also said, “Ye have heard it said,” but that is not the same as “It is written.”
Someone posted those Scriptures. I forget what thread.
I have it on disk. Maybe later.
BTW, which part of
The NEW TESTAMENT = THE WORD OF GOD
is difficult to understand?
Darn it! Now my ears are ringing and my head hurts.
"Ye have heard it said .... But I say unto you ...."
I don't think Jesus "relentlessly" went to Scripture.
And for you to say "[We] can't" is a little unfair because when I make an argument that you don't like and won't answer you just yell.
Finally, I note that we are not getting an answer to the question. A lot of colors and large type and not a little insult, but no answer.
Maybe later.
Heading out.
Others are welcome to respond better.
ACTUALLY
CHRIST SAYING IT
ONCE
AS A POINT OF AUTHORITY
WAS SUFFICIENT.
I don't see Him standing in front of you. A believer's renewed mind can conceptualize His spiritual presence in his life, just as Scripture tells us.
If you look for Him waiting next to you at a bus stop or sitting on the sofa with His feet up or on an altar as a needlessly repetitive sacrifice, then you are missing Him. He is not there. Jesus is in heaven and His Spirit resides in the hearts of each member of His flock.
These kinds of errors are the reason Rome has been rightly accused of displacing and even ignoring the office and purpose of the Holy Spirit.
Repent of it.
Apparently 'scripture' is not your forte'...
No saving fires in heaven??? What's the verse say??? The verse is speaking about judgment and it speaks of fire...It says the man will be saved, so as yet by fire...
There seems to be a block in your comprehension stream...Or, you are trying to read the verse with the preconceived perversion of the Catholic church...
The scripture clearly says the man goes to judgement...He is judged on his good works...The bad works are burned up...
The man with the bad works is still saved since his bad works are not credited to his account...They are burned up...The evidence is destroyed...
The judgment which is on the good works only, result in the rewards that will be given...
Jesus paid the price for the bad works...ALL of them...
I may flagellate myself with an exercise resistance band, just to be on the safe side.
:o)
While you wait for a Catholic answer I will ask your understanding of I Corinthians 11:28 in the section where Paul is instructing about the Lord's Table.
"But let a man examine himself...." If one has been born again and can never be separated from God, what is the point of this self examination? What good is it?
It's The WORD that sanctifies, makes holy, and without blemish.
what an excellant point.
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