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The Confession of Cyril Lucaris
The Voice ^ | 1692 | Cyril Lucaris

Posted on 07/22/2010 11:01:11 AM PDT by the_conscience

Edited on 07/23/2010 8:45:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

So why is the caucus designation still on?


41 posted on 07/22/2010 4:32:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee

Nestorian Catholic......LOL! NOT!


42 posted on 07/22/2010 4:33:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wagglebee; Salvation

I agree, and isn’t this thread an illustration of something that does not deserve elevation to caucus status?


43 posted on 07/22/2010 4:39:43 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Salvation

It makes as much sense as believing the Orthodox are somehow in agreement with sola scriptura.

See my further thoughts here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2554678/posts?page=1524#1524

Frankly, I find the entire premise of this thread deeply insulting to the Orthodox.


44 posted on 07/22/2010 4:41:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Religion Moderator

*8Frankly, I find the entire premise of this thread deeply insulting to the Orthodox.**

Absolutely — I will not post to this thread again — unless the caucus is taken off.


45 posted on 07/22/2010 4:47:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trisham; wagglebee; Salvation; Religion Moderator; the_conscience
I think the fact that no posts have been deleted from this thread is a voluminous if silent verification of the Religion Moderator's decision in this regard.

On the other hand, to avoid further confusion or inappropriate merriment, the Caucus designation in the title should probably be deleted.

To the OP, we're not laughing at you, we're laughing with you.

Yeah...that's it.

46 posted on 07/22/2010 4:48:32 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Maybe. Maybe not. :) It can’t be easy to moderate the Religion forum.


47 posted on 07/22/2010 4:51:56 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: the_conscience
Please delete posts: 2,14,15,17,20,25,26,28,29,31,32, and 33.

Thank you.

What's that noise?

48 posted on 07/22/2010 4:52:01 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience; Religion Moderator
We non-Romanists realize that Romanists believe they are above the rule of law. Here’s an opportunity for our Romanist FRiends to learn a true American value.

Please delete posts: 2,14,15,17,20,25,26,28,29,31,32, and 33.

This statement refers to the papacy, so that opens it to debate:

there are on earth particular visible Churches, every one of them has one chief, who is not properly to be called [head] of that particular Church, but improperly, because he is the principal member of it.

Besides, this confession was rejected by the Orthodox over 400 years ago, the Orthodox have not supported this caucus and they don't believe in the five solas.

49 posted on 07/22/2010 4:55:54 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Salvation
Absolutely — I will not post to this thread again — unless the caucus is taken off.

Come on in, the water is fine...

The Confession of Cyril Lucaris
The Voice ^ | 1692 | Cyril Lucaris

Posted on Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:01:11 PM by the_conscience


50 posted on 07/22/2010 5:09:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_conscience; wideawake
Two Orthodox responses to Lucaris:


51 posted on 07/22/2010 5:17:00 PM PDT by Campion
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To: the_conscience

I don’t think this thread worked out as you expected. Back to the drawing board!


52 posted on 07/22/2010 6:10:25 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Campion

That’ll leave a mark (or two)


53 posted on 07/22/2010 6:25:09 PM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: vladimir998
I don’t think this thread worked out as you expected.

It blowed up real good.

54 posted on 07/22/2010 6:26:02 PM PDT by don-o (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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To: the_conscience
Just looking at the source website, you omitted these introductory paragraphs:

Cyril Lucar or Lucaris was born in what is now Greece in 1572. Although rising to the position of the Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, Cyril was heavily influenced by 16th century Calvinism. As a result, in the spirit of the Protestant Reformation and in strong opposition to Roman Catholicism, he attempted to reform Orthodoxy in the direction of Calvinism.

This confession, an eighteen point summary of Cyril's beliefs originally written in Latin, was published in Geneva in 1629. It immediately aroused fierce opposition among other Orthodox leaders since it challenged some of the basic tenets of Eastern religious practice. A Synod of Eastern Orthodox Churches was called in Jerusalem in 1672 to refute the position of Cyril. Orthodox leaders contended that the Confession of Cyril was a forgery perpetrated by Calvinists to spread their influence among Eastern churches. They presented quotations from known writings of Cyril to show that he had not held the positions expressed in the Confession. In addition, they argued that the Confession was not an official pronouncement by an Orthodox Patriarch.

The Synod of Jerusalem of 1672 soundly rejected any further attempts at reformulation of Orthodox teachings and strengthened Orthodox beliefs against both the Protestant Reformation and Catholicism. The Synod produced its own confession, the Confession of Dositheus (Patriarch of Jerusalem), in which it refuted Cyril's eighteen points, as well as adding four catechetical style questions. Cyril was eventually accused of political intrigue and murdered in 1638 while in Ottoman custody. -Dennis Bratcher, ed.

Emphasis mine.

I'm used to people of your persuasion misrepresenting Catholic beliefs, but this is utterly appalling! Why did you even try to pull off such a blatant scam? It's the very definition of quotation out of context.

You owe the Orthodox members of this forum one enormous apology.

And kindly stop referring to Catholics by your habitual slur.

55 posted on 07/22/2010 7:35:19 PM PDT by cantabile
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To: vladimir998
I don’t think this thread worked out as you expected. Back to the drawing board!

LOL!

Like ringing a bell!

56 posted on 07/22/2010 7:46:02 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience; wagglebee; Salvation; Dr. Brian Kopp
That the confession was rejected by some members of the caucus is not cause to break the caucus.

The thread was opened because chapter 10 speaks to (Papal) primacy, a belief of non-members of the caucus who have an interest in speaking for themselves.

Caucus threads cannot be used as cover to attack the beliefs of non-members.

57 posted on 07/22/2010 8:35:58 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

LOL!

Can you quote where it mentions Papal primacy?


58 posted on 07/22/2010 8:40:06 PM PDT by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you.


59 posted on 07/22/2010 8:46:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: the_conscience
I put the "Papal" in parenthesis because it is only thinly veiled by the beginning text of Chapter 10, i.e. "the Church, which is called catholic," followed by the change to upper case in Chapter 11, i.e. "We believe that the members of the Catholic Church are saints".
60 posted on 07/22/2010 8:49:04 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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