The Confession of Cyril Lucaris

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[Salvation]

At the church that you attend, do you say the Nicene Creed as part of your service?

 

The Catholic Nicene Creed

This is the Catholic Nicene Creed, as used in the Roman Catholic Church's liturgy.

This creed is usually called just the "Nicene Creed." It is also called the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, after its origin in the first two Church ecumenical Councils in 325 and 381.

The Catholic Nicene Creed is one of the creeds that can be found in the Handbook of Prayers edited by James Socias.

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

The Catechism has a side-by-side comparison of the Catholic Nicene Creed with the Apostles Creed (the link is to that Catechism page on the Vatican's website).

[the_conscience]

“thinly veiled”

LOL! How much does it cost to get a “thinly veiled” judgement?

I’ve got $200.00 for a non-Papal Primacy ruling.

[the_conscience]

“since the person who “crosses the Tiber” from the Catholic Church would be entering Babylon.”

That’s funny, I always thought “crossing the Tiber” meant entering Romanism and thus Babylon, and the whore and all that.

I guess it depends on your perspective.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

How did I miss this terrific thread?

Lucaris was a hero. Just think how the world would have blossomed if his reformed teachings had taken hold among the Orthodox.

We believe the Holy Scripture to be given by God, to have no other author but the Holy Spirit. This we ought undoubtedly to believe, for it is written. We have a more sure word of prophecy, to which you do well to take heed, as to light shining in a dark place. We believe the authority of the Holy Scripture to be above the authority of the Church. To be taught by the Holy Spirit is a far different thing from being taught by a man; for man may through ignorance err, deceive and be deceived, but the word of God neither deceives nor is deceived, nor can err, and is infallible and has eternal authority.

AMEN!

[the_conscience]

Welcome to the caucus... er... well... I didn’t pay the fees. :(

Welcome to the thread!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

You pinged drstevej and OrthodoxPresbyterian, two of my favorite FR Calvinists. Are they still around?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

No, sadly they were banned. I miss them every day. I learned a great deal from both of them. And others who were banned, too. Wrigley and Jean Chauvin and CCWoody.

Those were great conversations.

[Lucius Cornelius Sulla]

I have to say, this thread was a somewhat clever way to violate the concept of caucuses at FR! I am REALLY glad I am not the RM!

[P8riot]

Excellent! Thanks for the ping.

[circlecity]

Thanks for the ping. It appears Protestants are not allowed to have caucus threads in the religious forum. There are about 3-4 Catholic threads a day but let a lone Protestant caucus thread appaear and it gets violated on some fabricated charge that if Protestant doctrine is raised which Catholics disagree with, they lose their caucus. Which means there can never be a Protestant caucus.

[don-o]

Which means there can never be a Protestant caucus.

If all Protestants agree on is their mutual opposition, then you are probably right.

[circlecity]

Or if Protestants just reaffirm the tenets their faith. Some just can’t handle that. This thread has been a real eye opener for someone who has always tried to avoid the interdenominational squabbles on this forum.

[wagglebee]

I always thought “crossing the Tiber” meant entering Romanism and thus Babylon, and the whore and all that.

No, the comic books got that one wrong too.

I guess it depends on your perspective.

Of course it depends on your perspective.

If you are looking across the Tiber at Vatican City you are in Rome/Babylon. If you are looking across the Tiber at Rome/Babylon you are in Vatican City.

There are more than a few FReepers who did cross the Tiber in the wrong direction:

Just as Satan seduced Eve with the fruit, he seduced them with a comic book.

They left the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and crossed over to Babylon and it is obvious by their fruits.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“Lucaris was a hero. Just think how the world would have blossomed if his reformed teachings had taken hold among the Orthodox.”

Sure, then they too could have experienced Puritanism, totalitarian style theocracy (headed by a Protestants rather than the Turks they were used to), civil wars, and then relativism and secular humanism and atheism. Or they could have just stayed Orthodox and avoided most of that and still be Christian today. Oh, wait, that’s what they did. They stayed Orthodox and still are.

[wagglebee]

Or if Protestants just reaffirm the tenets their faith.

Very true.

EVERY DAY on here there are threads where some group is attacked for their beliefs, yet the people who instigate these attacks are seldom found on threads where they simply affirm their own beliefs.

I can't help but wonder what sort of homilies these people listen to on Sunday mornings.

Look at what is said about Catholics on here on a daily basis and the slurs that are used (most people stopped using words like papist and Romanist in the 1950s or 60s) and ask yourself what the outcome would be if similar thing were said about Jews with slurs that were popular in the past.

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“Which means there can never be a Protestant caucus.”

Sure there can be a Protestant caucus thread. If you post a thread about the doctrines of, say, the Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian sects, then that would be a Protestant caucus.

[circlecity]

"Sure there can be a Protestant caucus thread. If you post a thread about the doctrines of, say, the Methodist or Baptist or Presbyterian sects, then that would be a Protestant caucus."

Is that list exclusive? Or maybe you should just post a list of the topics the Catholics will allow Protestant caucus threads on. The confession which this thread posted was pretty much consistent with the Westminster Confession which IS the "doctrine of Presbyterian (and most reformed)sects". Or maybe Protestants should just ask your permission before designating any topic a caucus. As I said, this thread was a very eye-opening experience and asnwered a lot of questions.

[circlecity]

"Look at what is said about Catholics on here on a daily basis and the slurs that are used (most people stopped using words like papist and Romanist in the 1950s or 60s) and ask yourself what the outcome would be if similar thing were said about Jews with slurs that were popular in the past."

And there is just as much viciousness going the other way from Catholics toward Protestants. Which is why I've always tried to avoid such disputes. But now I understand where it originates.

[dangus]

Isn’t it funny that Martin Luther, who “informed” the world of all the wicked excess he witnessed in “Rome” didn’t realize that the Vatican wasn’t in Rome?

[wagglebee]

The confession which this thread posted was pretty much consistent with the Westminster Confession which IS the "doctrine of Presbyterian (and most reformed)sects". Or maybe Protestants should just ask your permission before designating any topic a caucus.

You weren't on this thread from the beginning.

The OP attempted to label this thread a caucus for Protestants who believe in the five solas and all Eastern Orthodox.

The confession was purported to express Orthodox belief, but it actually was firmly rejected by the Orthodox. The Orthodox DO NOT subscribe to the doctrine of sola scriptura and have been totally clear on that matter.

Moreoever, Chapter 10 of this confession makes a clear and negative reference to the Catholic Church and that alone negates the caucus status.

If Protestants (or just the Baptists or Calvinists or Methodists, etc.) want a caucus, all they need to do is post threads which speak of their beliefs WITHOUT mentioning disparaging beliefs. If that is so difficult to do then maybe they should take a look at what their beliefs are actually based on.