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[Campion]

Pastor Art wrapped up the night by suggesting that if I wanted an Old Testament parallel with Mary, I should look up Jezebel.

Wow ... and they think Jason's on the road to hell.

[vladimir998]

Here’s something Brewer used to lie about. People corrected Brewer on this all the time. He continued to lie about it. Typical anti-Catholic. They always resort to lying.

The lie: http://www.mtc.org/bishop_s.html

The truth: http://www.stempublishing.com/authors/kelly/8_Bt/Strssmyr.html

[FatherofFive]

good read

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Whenever there was a king, the throne at his side and a magnificent crown were reserved for his mother, who served in a position of authority and great intercessory power for the people (1 Kings2:12–21, Jer. 13:18). <<<

Help me out here. I cannot find that understanding in the referenced passages.

Jeremiah 13:18:

“Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.”

1 Kings 2:12–21:
“
[12] Then sat Solomon upon the throne of David his father; and his kingdom was established greatly.
[13] And Adonijah the son of Haggith came to Bath-sheba the mother of Solomon. And she said, Comest thou peaceably? And he said, Peaceably.
[14] He said moreover, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And she said, Say on.
[15] And he said, Thou knowest that the kingdom was mine, and that all Israel set their faces on me, that I should reign: howbeit the kingdom is turned about, and is become my brother’s: for it was his from the LORD.
[16] And now I ask one petition of thee, deny me not. And she said unto him, Say on.
[17] And he said, Speak, I pray thee, unto Solomon the king, (for he will not say thee nay,) that he give me Abishag the Shunammite to wife.
[18] And Bath-sheba said, Well; I will speak for thee unto the king.
[19] Bath-sheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king’s mother; and she sat on his right hand.
[20] Then she said, I desire one small petition of thee; I pray thee, say me not nay. And the king said unto her, Ask on, my mother: for I will not say thee nay.
[21] And she said, Let Abishag the Shunammite be given to Adonijah thy brother to wife.
“

If you read on you will see that Solomon denied Bath-sheba’s request, preferring instead to have Adonijah put to death, as follows:
“
[22] And king Solomon answered and said unto his mother, And why dost thou ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? ask for him the kingdom also; for he is mine elder brother; even for him, and for Abiathar the priest, and for Joab the son of Zeruiah.
[23] Then king Solomon sware by the LORD, saying, God do so to me, and more also, if Adonijah have not spoken this word against his own life.
[24] Now therefore, as the LORD liveth, which hath established me, and set me on the throne of David my father, and who hath made me an house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death this day.
[25] And king Solomon sent by the hand of Benaiah the son of Jehoiada; and he fell upon him that he died.

[Natural Law]

There is a duality to Protestantism and Protestants that I can't fathom. Individually, the Protestants I know are decent “God fearing” people, moved by the best Christian motives. However, there is something about Catholicism that drives them literally nuts.

[marshmallow]

After some song and Scripture, Richard Bennett arose......

Bennett should be well known to Freepers. He's the author of a website entitled The Berean Beacon which is much beloved of some of our Protestant brothers and sisters as a source of polemical material. There was a period about 2-3 years ago when one of Bennett's essay was posted on FR about twice/week.

Many an unforgettable triple digit flame war has been spawned by his essays.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Interesting post. Definitly worth reading, and studying.

Not all Queen Mothers were nice little old ladies.

2Ch 22:10 ¶ But when Athaliah the mother of Ahaziah saw that her son was dead, she arose and destroyed all the seed royal of the house of Judah.

2Ch 22:11 But Jehoshabeath, the daughter of the king, took Joash the son of Ahaziah, and stole him from among the king’s sons that were slain, and put him and his nurse in a bedchamber. So Jehoshabeath, the daughter of king Jehoram, the wife of Jehoiada the priest, (for she was the sister of Ahaziah,) hid him from Athaliah, so that she slew him not.

[SZonian]

"...Thomas Aquinas said that the most charitable thing one can do is to instruct others in the truth."

In light of what I witness and have been subjected to here on FR, this statement stands out for me.

I'm going to look up this Thomas Aquinas fella and see what other nuggets of wisdom he has.

Good post btw, thanks for posting it.

[don-o]

After speaking at length with Brewer, I concur with G. K. Chesterton that, when you argue with a fellow like him, "it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment."

You just can't go wrong with Chesterton.

[johngrace]

It's Catholics who do not know their own faith. That can get suckered. I was one of them. You had these false anti-books or ant-comics. I remember going to the two diners that had people leaving anti comic mini-booklets all the time. Circa 1980's. The owners did not do it. Patron's would put this in the booths.

One of them had the priest's mother going to hell by saying the Hail Mary. It was later found out that he was serial criminal. A forger of checks in several states. Also never a priest and total con-man. He was found out by Christianity Today. And I think Walter Martin who was an intelligent decent caring Christian apologist pointed it out too. But people still use this material even today. You look at the falsehoods with these books which can't find a source before 16th century. Hyslop's Books are virtually made up and connected by sheer magic of the mind. He tries to connect the dots of paganism to Catholicism.

Then there is the fake phony fraud half truths of "Foxes book of Martyrs". What a trash book. Yet with all this phony books people do not know which way is up. A constant brainwashing and amen corner slap happy agreeing.

I pray in the spirit while saying the Divine Mercy and Rosary. I know these are true.

John 16:12-15 12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that ARE TO COME. 14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. 15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you."

"DECLARE TO YOU THE THINGS TO COME."

I believe he is talking about that after the Holy Spirit on the Day of pentocost and when He breathed Apostolic succession JOHN 20:21- 21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father HAS SENT ME, I am SENDING YOU."

Thats a power of Attorney to be passed on until the second coming!

I believe the Holy Spirit told me this for real.

God meets a Christian were there at in life. A humble and contrite heart he will not ignore. He is not about who has the fullest knowledge only. We all are baby, teenager and adult Christians spiritually. We are children of God.

[AgThorn]

Interesting encounter. I noticed no mention from either you or the ‘anti-catholic’ hosts on the Catholic teachings on Mary as a coredeemer, the Redemptrix, I think is the Catholic label given. What is your knowledge or belief on this label?