Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Quix]

This is a great example of Roman Catholic apologists just making things up and apparently hoping no one calls them on it.

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If I were an RC, I’d be greatly chagrinned and embarrassed if not outraged at how often that happens hereon.

[Quix]

WRONG.

GROSSLY WRONG.

[Quix]

NOPE.

Not by a greatly larger margin.

[OpusatFR]

“. which sounds as if you don’t bother to read Catholic post — you maintain the opinion you started with.”

Exactly. That is why these threads are pretty much useless.

I’d rather deal with the ecumenical discussions in my own community with Christians than play these gotcha games with comfy-chair/snack-stuffing keboard jockey “missionaries.”

That KC post was just another example of the rush to post anything derogatory and nasty.

Due diligence, people. Due diligence.

I’m outta here.

[Cronos]

But yet it's true --> your term "Proddy" is not equivalent to Protestant. The vast majority of Protestants are not members of the groupings to which the posters on this post are on about -- there are no posters from the lutheran, Anglican, Methodist or Assemblies of God groupings.

"Proddy" hence is relegated to just being composed of you, Dr. E, mfights, metmom, presently no screen name, iscool, rnmomof7 and the handful of other non-Church folks who post on this thread.

And remember God’s purpose has been as Christ said that He would protect His Church, which is what He has done —> your grouping keeps denying the Holy Spirit who is overlooking Christ’s One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church

[Cronos]

Quix: Not remotely my reality.


ok, is this a better depiction?



Quix: NOPE.

Not by a greatly larger margin.

Oh, then would this be the phantasmagoric reality spoken of?

[Judith Anne]

you started demanding to know which denomination Dr E belonged to post 12538. So......?

Wrong. Here's post 12538:

To: Cronos Nope. Members of your group have these beliefs.

What "group" is that? I'm Presbyterian.

Even Unitarians can accurately point to the errors of Rome.

12,538 posted on Mon Oct 18 2010 13:48:34 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12527 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

Besides, 1000silverlings, I did not think Dr. E. would want to be associated with the largest Presbyterian group, the PCUSA. They are scandalously liberal.

[maryz]

NOPE. Not remotely my reality.

Quix, the thing is that I really like to understand how people think -- that's why in "real life" I'm far more of a listener than a talker -- but I'm not getting a clear picture on these threads of the various Protestant beliefs. There are one or two exceptions of people putting forth a coherent account of what they actually believe (and I've had serious -- if brief -- discussions with them). From you, OTOH, well, I have a pretty clear idea of the eidolon you've constructed for yourself of Catholicism, but no real notion of what's central in your own belief, never mind of all that flows from it. Unless your whole belief system consists of "not Catholic is good enough for me!"

I've never even been acquainted with more than one or two practicing Protestants (a bigger number of those brought up Protestant). Similarly, I've met only a handful of practicing EOs (and those years ago) -- but I've gained a pretty good understanding (not complete, of course) and "feel for" the EO point of view from FR. I've known quite a few Jews, from totally secular to orthodox, and I have that kind of "feel for" Judaism. But my knowledge of modern Protestantism is totally from these threads -- and it strikes me (with the exceptions I mentioned) as a seething mass of hostility to the Catholic Church and not much else.

So what is your reality?

[Cronos]

We may differ on secondary issues but Christ and His word are our authority and the ultimate authority.

The grouping of non-Catholic Posters here cannot even agree on the divinity of Christ as part of the Trinity -- that is denied by the Unitarians amongst you. Secondarily, many of you also deny Christ's authority in the sense that those who veer to the crazier pentecostal pastors like Jesse Duplantis believe that God has the power to take life, but He can't.... He got the power to do it, but He won't, He's bound; He can't.... You choose when you live, you choose when you die, you have disagreements between Armenians and Calvinists and Baptists. The only unity is what you are not, a negative definition of the non-Church posters group here on this thread

[Cronos]

That's interesting, Dr. e said Even Unitarians can accurately point to the errors of Rome. --> so I wonder if Dr. E's group considers the Trinity to be an "error of Rome"? Is Dr. E one of the group of OPC that Former Orthodox Presbyterian Church (OPC) ruling elder Paul M. Elliott warned about when he urged all folks to leave that group?

[Judith Anne]

I pretty much agree with you.

[kosta50]

What? A Catholic admitting that he was poorly catechized?

Me poorly catechized? LOL!

I thought the Catholic church had all the answers. At least to hear the FRoman Catholics on these threads, it does.

As regards their dogmatic basis of the faith, sure. I am not the Church.

[Cronos]

We don't even know if there is a unanimous belief in Jesus's Divinity as part of the Trinity --> you, Quix, do believe in Jesus being fully man and fully God, part of the Trinity of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, correct?

[kosta50]

The only thing they have in common is their Christian Hatred of Catholics and Kosta

Strangley, I feel honored. :)

[Judith Anne]

Well, Cronos, I just don’t know. I’m pretty sure Dr. E is OPC, but I’m not positive that she is. Now that 1000silverlings and metmom have gotten into the act, there doesn’t seem to be any purpose to inquiring, they’ll just ring up the RM and accuse me of breaking the rules. So there doesn’t seem to be any way to find out if she (Dr. Eckleburg) is a flaming liberal PCUSA or not.

And frankly, I’m tired of metmom.

Religion Moderator, this is only a courtesy ping because I mentioned you. No complaint.

[Judith Anne]

Strangley, I feel honored. :)

You should get a medal. When I saw that, I thought of commenting to you -- !!!

[kosta50]

smvoice asserted exactly that Paul's Gospel was different than Peter's Gospel

No doubt about that. Paul even refers to his gospel as my gospel.

In these mega-threads I don't know that I've ever seen one Protestant correct another Protestant on a point of doctrine and what it really seems like is that as long as one isn't Catholic absolutely anything goes... as long as it doesn't look like it might be Catholic

That pretty much sums it up, L. There is nothing to correct. The whole Protestant "doctrine" is "I am saved and you are not." The details are irrelevant.

[Cronos]

On another thread, I am discussing with the Orthodox and a Lutheran -- and it's astonishing the difference in tone compared to this thread.

While we all agree that we don't agree with each other :-) on many things, we acknowledge there is much we DO agree on and we actually talk about experiences that can help us in our respective Churches.

If we disagree with each other on some point, we say why and what we believe. We do not:
1. Repeat lies about what we believe the other groups to believe
2. Toss slurs about

These two options are used by the QP (for reference, read my above post in reply to Quix on his usage of a certain term) --> the QP are not even Protestants (they use another term for themselves), they are fringe members of fringe cults.

Case in point -- the OPC. Initialy when seeing the rantings and false pictures posted here, I had the image of this tiny group (27,000 in 2000 and falling membership worldwide) as a Westboro Baptist redux. Yet, there are OPC members who can civilly argue.

So, I'm left with the opinion that we only get the worst of the various groupings here and mostly members of the Kirk of One (i.e. they are their own church and believe they are the elite caste among humans)

[kosta50]

I hardly doubt a myth could have the kind of impact it did and does to this day were it not true

Then all the other ancient religions that still linger around, such as Hinduism, must also be true. No myth there either I suppose. You know, one really needs to think these fleeting generlaizaitons through before posting them.

Christianity would have had no impact of comparable proportions were it not made the only religion of the Roman Empire, the hyperpower of the ancient world, and were it not spread by sword via colonization by England and Spain and Portugal around the world. It has nothing to do with how true or false it is.

[kosta50]

If you're not going to accept the veracity Scripture on its own merit as Scripture, then what's the point of going after non-Scriptural sources? At best, they'd be no more reliable than the books of the Bible. At worst, much less reliable.

One can accept the veracity of Scripture on its own merit, but that does not constitute  a proof, so it cannot be used as proof.