Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
“How do you know that guy is not an angel??? Because he doesn’t have wings and a halo???”
Wow! You’ve seen actual putti?!
I haven’t. I’ve only seen representations of artists conceptions.
Yeah? What does that mean? Does that mean that you believe in the Apostles' Creed - as intended by the authors and not how you interpret it? Does that mean that you believe in the Nicene-Constantinople Creed - as intended by the authors and not how you interpret it? Does that mean that you believe in the Athenasian Creed - as intended by the authors and not how you interpret it? If you can affirm this, then we have accord. If not, then I will simply dismiss yet another religion of men that has arisen through the pride and hubris of men.
That said, Mary was nothing more than a human vessel for delivery of God the Son also known as Jesus.
Veneration of Mary is not required for salvation. Contempt for Mary may result in consequences at your Judgement.
Catholics put her on par with Jesus which is an incredible insult to Him.
I am a Catholic and I have never put her on a par with Him. I do not personally know of any Catholic who does. To me, this is a damnable straw man that is simply an anti Catholic cudgel and of no truth whatsoever.
To say the she could intercede on our behalf is a disgrace to Jesus’s ultimate sacrifice.
Don't be an idiot. You can intercede on my behalf simply by praying for me. And vice versa.
But hey, keep up with your hail Marys if it makes you feel better.
It's not about my feelings. It is about Jesus Christ, Lord God Almighty, not a bunch of pansy poofs with their knickers in a twist because nobody will recognize them as Christian.
I’m so blessed! Thank you for that info.
Then you are blind to the acts of your own faith.
IF we don't want to go to church, we don't go...We go because we want to...Not because we have to because we don't have to...
My point exactly. Your Christianity is whatever you find in your navel or you pick out of your teeth. It is about you, not about God.
We are the church...Whether we are at a church building or we are wandering the isles of Wal-Mart...
It's wonderful that you keep making my points for me.
I feel sorry for you guys that are constantly searching for Jesus; praying to dead people in hopes of getting a message to Jesus; coming in contact with a cracker thinking THAT is the only Jesus you'll ever know...
When your Jesus is the god that you make for yourself, I'm happy for you that you come into contact with him every time that you look in the mirror. We Catholics understand that we are the created, not the creator. We owe our homage to Him; not vice versa. Not like you guys: if you don't want to go to church you don't go. So who's most important in your life? You, or God? I think that you have indicated it rather well...
What say ye concerning Matthew 6:7 “And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.?
In the early Catholic church people stood ...you can see the remnant of that practice in some of the Orthodox church that still stand ..standing is harder than kneeling..especially when the butt is rested against the seat behind you :)
A combination. The Nicene Council of 325 said that public prayer of the congregation on Sundays will be done standing - the rest of the prayers done by the priest were not addressed. The weekday Masses were also not addressed.
Can you show us where jesus taught that as the proper position for prayer?
In the Garden, Jesus knelt in prayer. He prayed harder than He ever did during His Incarnation in that position.
Mark why do you kneel in church?
No room for prostration, I suppose. I kneel because I am humbling myself physically and therefore mentally and spiritually before God. I worship Him. He is God. How can I not humble myself completely before the King of Kings?
We do not consider the whims of small children acting as adults. This has nothing to do with you.
If I asked you just what you mean by this, could you do better in explaining it?
Is Walmart in that Third Commandment?
“THIRD COMMANDMENT
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work.90
The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.91
I. THE SABBATH DAY
2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: “The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the LORD.”92
2169 In speaking of the sabbath Scripture recalls creation: “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.”93
2170 Scripture also reveals in the Lord’s day a memorial of Israel’s liberation from bondage in Egypt: “You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with mighty hand and outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.”94
2171 God entrusted the sabbath to Israel to keep as a sign of the irrevocable covenant.95 The sabbath is for the Lord, holy and set apart for the praise of God, his work of creation, and his saving actions on behalf of Israel.
2172 God’s action is the model for human action. If God “rested and was refreshed” on the seventh day, man too ought to “rest” and should let others, especially the poor, “be refreshed.”96 The sabbath brings everyday work to a halt and provides a respite. It is a day of protest against the servitude of work and the worship of money.97
2173 The Gospel reports many incidents when Jesus was accused of violating the sabbath law. But Jesus never fails to respect the holiness of this day.98 He gives this law its authentic and authoritative interpretation: “The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.”99 With compassion, Christ declares the sabbath for doing good rather than harm, for saving life rather than killing.100 The sabbath is the day of the Lord of mercies and a day to honor God.101 “The Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”102
II. THE LORD’S DAY
This is the day which the LORD has made; let us rejoice and be glad in it.103
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation
2174 Jesus rose from the dead “on the first day of the week.”104 Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the sabbath,105 it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s Resurrection. For Christians it has become the first of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica) Sunday:
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [after the Jewish sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead.106
Sunday- fulfillment of the sabbath
2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:107
Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death.108
2176 The celebration of Sunday observes the moral commandment inscribed by nature in the human heart to render to God an outward, visible, public, and regular worship “as a sign of his universal beneficence to all.”109 Sunday worship fulfills the moral command of the Old Covenant, taking up its rhythm and spirit in the weekly celebration of the Creator and Redeemer of his people.”
Catechism of the Catholic Church
Getting the weekly groceries could be worship I guess, of mammon.
“When will we rise up from our self-absorbed sloth and degradation and claim the rightful heritage that is ours, the heritage of the sons and daughters of God our Father? Only when we cease to live self-centered, comfort-seeking, entertainment-driven lives and we start to pursue the love of God and our neighbor with all of our heart and soul... We are more focused on living in comfort now than in the life of holiness and love that leads to eternal life with Jesus, who is our only true comfort.” Father Robert Pecotte
Walmart ain’t it.
I’m now even more blessed! Blessed going in and blessed going out.
Thank You, Jesus!
Ohh how holy ! (is that what I am supposed to say??)
I guess if kneeling or being prostrate is good enough for Jesus Christ, it is good enough for all
The scripture posted says nothing about kneeling.. Where does jesus teach that kneeling is the proper position for prayer.
I can tell you where it comes from..tradition.. God is not interested in our posture, or He would have addressed it
We think that we can commend ourself to God..He is just notthat easily impressed :)
One more hit...
In the Garden during His prayers to God. Also; it is the traditional posture for supplication throughout the OT before God and before the king.
Psalm 95: 1 Come, let us sing joyfully to the LORD; cry out to the rock of our salvation. 2 Let us greet him with a song of praise, joyfully sing out our psalms. 3 For the LORD is the great God, the great king over all gods, 4 Whose hand holds the depths of the earth; who owns the tops of the mountains. 5 The sea and dry land belong to God, who made them, formed them by hand. 6 Enter, let us bow down in worship; let us kneel before the LORD who made us.
Asking for your church’s statement of beliefs or confession is torture?
I really don’t get why anyone would not proudly proclaim them. What’s up with that?
You confuse flattery with amusement. That you think the Holy Spirit leads one into idolatry, Maryolatry, massolatry, and general anti-biblical doctrinology. While at the same time giving fallible, sinful men the ability to retain or remit sins, and change wine and wafers into blood and body. Talk about Dissociative Disorder. Your church’s beliefs and practices could not be more dissociative from God’s Word than this, and yet, the surprises continue to pour from Rome. Yes, OpusFR, continue in your mystery quest to defend the indefensible while searching for clues to non-catholic beliefs. You have nothing else to do with your time, as your religion has assured you. sort of..
“Ohh how holy ! (is that what I am supposed to say??)”
Nope. I just posted at what I do. I don’t particularly need your approval or disdain or comment or any humans for that matter.
The only one I want to please and adore is God.
Read it again. He knelt.
“We think that we can commend ourself to God..He is just notthat easily impressed :)”
I’m a creature. A created thing. The only mind I have is Christ and the only commendation is to adore the One God.
The idea that God is “impressed” is such an alien thought to my mind, it must be the domain of the “elect” Calvinists thinking that the Holy One could be “impressed.”
Back in your comfy-chair, kiddo.
I hear ho-ho’s and ring-dings with that liter of Pepsi can make your keyboard stick.
How’s that missionary field going? Sacrifice much?
But there are none so tortured as those who just cannot get the answers they demand.
If more time were spent searching the Scriptures rather than searching the home-pages for information, there would probably be a LOT more saving light shed in lives.
And never once did he claim he was quoting Jesus or Scripture.
In this letter Paul was, not for the first time, speaking for himself only.
Note to wagglebee and Cronos: A "letter" is singular. The "Epistles" are plural. Do you understand the difference now?
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