Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
So how much did the Muzzies pay you to post this?
Christianity and theocracy are mutually incompatible, and this has been the experience since the dawn of Christianity. Calvin tried to establish a theocracy in Geneva - and it failed. The Puritans tried to establish one here - and it failed.
A theocracy is where the religious law and the civil law are the same, and the state is governed by the clergy. The only group that does this is Islam (Mormonism would have done it, but the US Army knocked that out of them).
State churches are churches that the state approves for its official functions and as the official recorder of civil acts (marriages and burials, primarily), and are not a good thing. But at least the Catholic Church never appointed a secular ruler as leader of the church, as the Anglicans did with Henry VIII. Being a state church undermines the church and is one of the reasons the Lutherans were never able to fight back against Hitler very effectively.
But it still acknowledges the fact that the Church and the State are two separate entities. Mosque and State are one and the same.
This Catholic would love to set Reginald straight on this issue.
Though I think Mr. Firehammer is full of prune juice, I can foresee something akin to the Holy Roman Empire stirring back to life if (and only if) the secular world remains supine in the face of aggressive Islamic expansion.
And of course, the western world would probably fear the Catholics more than the Caliphate on their doorstep. Perhaps they *should* be fearful. After all, we do have the Holy Hand Grenade.
;-)
A "good, faithful group" would never put that kind of garbage up in the first place.
They're sorry because they were caught.
Despite your protestations, you cannot legitimately claim that these individuals have any authority to speak for the Church. They simply do not.
Moreover, I find it fascinating that this "good, faithful group" does not provide the names and qualifications of any actual people on their site.
Hi again, Hank. How are things in atheist-ville? I hope you’re well and doing fine. :)
Bingo! Anyone can call themselves "Catholic" but that doesn't mean they follow the tenets of the Church. Take, for example, Pelosi, Kennedys, Kerry, etc.
Dude! Loose lips sink ships! Now everybody will know!
A big steamy pile of poop at that.
Awwww....are they all out of Troll food where you come from?
I don’t have any either. Try a nice mosque.
*Don’t bet on the ham though.
“Does Reginald Firehammer actually know anything about “The Holy Roman Empire” or does he use it because its a wonderful coincidence that 3 left-wing buzz-word cliches can be strung together into a phrase that actually exists in the English Language?”
He uses it because it is the phrase used throughout the Catholic Encyclopedia, such as:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03048a.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12495a.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05730b.htm
...and hundreds of more times.
If you think it is a bad phrase, perhaps you should let them know.
Hank
I still can’t understand how some ignore the deadly power of albino monk assassins.
Freegards
“So how much did the Muzzies pay you to post this?”
All the quotes are from Catholic sites, and all the links are to Catholic sites. If you have a problem with the content, perhaps you should address the above question to them.
Hank
Sure it does.
Try "homosexuality is fundamentally disordered" or "marriage is between one man and one woman" in a public setting or try saying a prayer out loud in a public school and you'll see how far your wet dream is from reality in this country.
We live under a secular humanist dictatorship which actively persecutes Christian morality and will do so increasingly as time passes. There are certain things which most definitely can not be said in public in the US in 2010.
Instead of fretting about the Holy Roman Empire which has about as much chance of returning as Babe Ruth has of suiting up for the Red Sox, you might want to give a thought to the coming marginalization and persecution of Christians in this country. That's the real issue.
This is a total non issue and a straw man.
“And they rescinded the video in question in this blog post and apologized for its erroneous content.”
It would be very helpful if you could provide a link to the actual apology. Your link only goes to the site.
Thanks for the comment.
Hank
The church also mentions eunuchs.
*Cue scary music as all male non-Catholic freepers cover their...
“you are using three non-Catholic sources”
Err... do you mean they are not Catholics? They seem to think they are Catholics. Other Catholics seem to think so to. Why would they have those sites if they are not Catholics. I think I’ll take their own word for what they over what you say they are.
Hank
DNFTT
To the author of the Declaration of Independence, meanwhile, Catholics represented a profound threat to the fledgling American republic.
“History furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government,” Thomas Jefferson wrote. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.”
“If you or anyone else wants to know if the head of the Vatican City State has the agenda of restoring the Holy Roman... READ what the current Pope has said.”
I’m quite sure there are no such intentions, but I’m also quite sure if there were, the Pope would not be writing them down for the world to read.
Hank
What???? - the "Holy Roman Empire" did exist, but how exactly does the fact that it is cited in a Catholic Encyclopedia mean the Pope is on a mission to create a Catholic Dictatorship????
If you do not accept the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, if you do not accept the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and if you do not acknowledge the Pope's teaching authority - well, you can call yourself whatever you want, but you're still not a Catholic.
That's not how it works.
I think I’ll take their own word for what they over what you say they are.
Brilliant statement.
Hank Kerchief, I am the Emperor of North America and I am royally assessing you a fine of $10,000.
If anyone says that I am not the Emperor of North America and that you do not owe me any money, remember: you have to take my word for what I say I am over anyone who would contradict me.
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