Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Calling someone “anti-Catholic” because they don’t genuflect to the Catholic Church is one of those throw away insult lines like calling someone a racist in the hopes it put them on the defensive and make them try to prove they aren’t.
Of course that is the same sort of thing Mark Twain described as a woman trying to prove she is a virgin.
So it’s easy to call someone a bigot and pretend the burden of proof is upon the accused instead of the accuser.
“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite.”
“Fourth or fifth century”. And the writings considered therein genuine are from the seventh and eighth centuries.
“apocryphal, falsely ascribed. spurious” that's the basis for belief in the assumption of Mary!
Koine Greek is the original language of the New Testament.
No they are not, this is one more instance of Rome proof texting a scripture OUT OF CONTEXT
This is not speaking of the reader..but the prophet.. But hey why should this be any different than the way Rome treats any other scripture
Since the 4th century there has been a church were Christians believe the tomb of Jesus Christ is, yet we all know He was Resurrected. The Church has never said that the Blessed Mother didn't die.
Thank you for saying that. If I thought, even for a moment, that I had your respect, I would be forced to acknowledge that I had done something very wrong.
Your comment is exactly what liberals do -- trash not only the opposing idea, but the person holding that idea and then try to shout down that idea and prevent it from even being spoken.
On the contrary, I'd far rather let the bigots speak their minds (though it amuses me how they can only do so through the anonymity that the internet affords, I rather doubt that they would make similar statements to the Catholic friends, neighbors and relatives that they claim to have).
On the other hand, you have made at least one statement that certainly suggests support for suppressing Catholicism. It's right here:
Scotland’s downfall began when they let the papists back in.
There are hundreds on this forum and dozens on this thread who are anti-Mary as sinless co-redeemer, anti-transubstantiation, anti-"alter Christus," anti-papacy, anti-magisterium; anti-Apocrypha, anti-baptismal regeneration, anti-confessional booth, anti-indulgences, anti-purgatory, anti-limbo, etc., who are indeed, Christian.
I've never suggested otherwise. There are, however, some anti-Catholic bigots on this forum and thread who ARE NOT Christians.
IMO, your claim is just -- as far as I've seen, your posts are always models of civility and thoughtfulness, with a substantive point to make. If you've taken offense at any of my comments directed to the more rabid posters, I'm sorry, because they weren't meant to include you. I avoided using names partly to avoid "making it personal" and (maybe mostly) because I don't necessarily remember who said what in an 8,000 post thread (and all the other preceding threads, which are near duplicates).
These threads would be about 20% of their length if they were restricted to serious debate, IMO.
BTW, I don't know what OSAS is.
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| English: Douay-Rheims | Latin: Vulgata Clementina | Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000) | |
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| 10. | And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ. | Cui autem aliquid donastis, et ego : nam et ego quod donavi, si quid donavi, propter vos in persona Christi, | ω δε τι χαριζεσθε και εγω και γαρ εγω ει τι κεχαρισμαι ω κεχαρισμαι δι υμας εν προσωπω χριστου |
New International Version is a tool of anti-Christ.
Of course, the fact that the priest dispatches his sacred duties in the person of Christ is clear from the direct teaching on the matter in John 13:20, John 20:21, Luke 10:16.
You guys have to wait for the dictatorship to come about to figure this one out. Our ammunition is dry.
Once Saved Always Saved. The people who think they can say and do what ever they want and are “elect”. You know the type, they are on these threads.
Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.
Many who believe this prefer to label Matthew 25:31-46 as a parable or give some other reason as to why it doesn't actually apply to Christians.
“I do not participate in threads this long unless directly pinged, however, it says “person” and not “presence” in the original::
No one has the “original” but what appears in the Greek is a Greek word, “prosopo”, which translates to “person”. The meaning, MEANING, of which is within the persons sight or literally, “face”, “in person”.
Hence in translating the use of the word “presence” carries the idea behind the Greek “prosopo” as previously stated.
From Strong's:
“from proV - pros 4314 and ops (the visage, from 3700); the front (as being towards view), i.e. the countenance, aspect, appearance, surface; by implication, presence, person:—(outward) appearance, X before, countenance, face, fashion, (men's) person, presence.”
Therefore “prosopo” is properly and more accurately translated, “presence” at 2 Cor. 2:10.
Short story, I know I will be ridiculed by some of our favorite anti-Catholics here.
A few years ago when the baby-killing store was in downtown Houston, I had a friend from the Chapel who went and participated in the anti-abortion rallies. On a Saturday during Lent, there was a woman who brought her teenage daughter in for an abortion. E said the woman stopped at the edge of the “legal boundary” and yelled at the “holy rollers” that since she was saved, she’d already been forgiven for murdering her grandchild. Even some of the Protestants were shocked. Go figure.
Saved Always Saved. The people who think they can say and do what ever they want and are “elect”.
Paul answered this objection in the book of Romans chapt 6.
Interestingly, those who preach the true Gospel of Grace thru Faith alone will always be accused of this(now you can do and say whatever, IE sin with abandon).
Paul heard the same accusation and answers it in the book of Romans chapt 6. Since we have been saved, we are no longer slaves to sin but slaves to righteousness.
There do seem to be some who understand it the way you describe. I'd be interested in boatbums' understanding, though, especially of the implications and ramifications, of what it looks and feels like from "inside." And judged on past performance, she can probably explain it without a clutter of obiter dicta on Catholicism.
You will notice on here that whenever some particularly vile leftist dies there is all sorts of talk about them burning in Hell. But, IF the once-saved crowd REALLY believes what they are saying, a muttered phrase at any moment of a person's life should be enough.
Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.
Simply uttering the phrase "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," as an incatation saves no one.
Those who truly rely/trust in Christ alone, who paid our penalty for sin and make Him Lord of their lives, are saved.
AND those who are truly saved (new creatures in Christ, indwelt with Holy Spirit) WILL produce good works, Following in the footsteps of their Professed LORD.
You will notice on here that whenever some particularly vile leftist dies there is all sorts of talk about them burning in Hell. But, IF the once-saved crowd REALLY believes what they are saying, a muttered phrase at any moment of a person's life should be enough.
Oh, like the thief on the Cross?
Ah, so it's faith AND works.
What you are describing DOES NOT seem to be once saved, always saved because there is no guarantee that a person will continue to trust Christ alone. This is an ongoing process, in other words it is a WORK.
The thief beside our Lord ASKED for His pardon and it was granted and presumably he sinned no more. The Church has ALWAYS taught that a sinner could repent up until the moment of death and be saved.
This is VERY DIFFERENT from uttering a phrase and then following it with decades of evil.
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