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1 posted on 10/20/2010 12:25:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Quix
I posted this to help you put your mind at ease.

Catholics have been aware of these issues for a very long time. This article, from the traditionalist SSPX magazine, was published in 2001.

So please stop worrying that Catholics might be deceived by the inane rantings of a couple liberal Jesuits who happen to work in the Vatican observatory.

They do not speak for the Pope, they do not know the mind of the Pope, and the Church is not in on some grand conspiracy to reveal a UFO agenda.

2 posted on 10/20/2010 12:29:59 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The Angelus: A Journal of Roman Catholic Tradition | October 2001 | Alain Kerizo

"....we are going to reverse the proposition of the UFOlogues and attempt to demonstrate that the UFO's are a form specially adapted to the modern mentality of the old pagan religion, and, as such, opposed to the Christian religion."

The Vatican and UFOs
Do space aliens have souls? Inquiring minds can check Jesuit's book
Vatican Astronomer Says ET Could Phone Home
"The Omega Secret" [UFOs and the Vatican]
Vatican and UFO: Secretum Omega [Extraterrestrial Culture Day]
Secretum Omega Part II [Extraterrestrial Culture Day]
Vatican Official Confirms the Existence of Extraterrestrials [Friday afternoon tinfoil alert]
Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens ("The extraterrestrial is my brother")
Fatima: The new Movie… Deception a-go-go [the Fatima apparitions were really UFO manifestations]
The Vatican joins the search for alien life
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
Vatican Observatory examines theological implications of finding alien life
Vatican looks to heavens for signs of alien life
Vatican Seeks Signs of Alien Life... E.T. phone Rome!
Does Jesus save aliens?
Vatican prepares for extraterrestrial disclosure
The Truth Is Out There. Extraterrestrials, Probably Not
Aliens visiting the Vatican: UFO Landing site filmed
Alleged Vatican Official Says Extraterrestrials Are Real
UFO Disclosure 2010: Vatican Secrets And The Coming Hoax

3 posted on 10/20/2010 12:34:08 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
[Satan] 9) He is a lightbearer.

Hey...Beelzobama is a lightworker. Is that the same thing?

4 posted on 10/20/2010 12:35:27 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Alex Murphy
Friday, August 20, 2010

Extraterrestrial Life and the Catholic Church: Collection of Links


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FOIrYyQawGI/TG6hw7XRknI/AAAAAAAAC-w/t4LtOWBNk0s/s1600/ExtraterrestrialsChurch.gif
[courtesy of Kristen Lenz; source]


Speculations on such things are nothing new in Catholic circles (lest anyone think that). Prominent clerics of the Middle Ages, including John Buridan (14th c.), Bishop Nicholas Oresme (d. 1382), and Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa (d. 1464), had already seriously discussed the possibility of other worlds.

Nor was Giordano Bruno (1548-1600) condemned and executed because he believed in the possibility of other worlds, as some misinformed secular articles about this topic (e.g., in The Washington Post) have asserted. His heresies were as follows, according to the article about him in the Catholic Encyclopedia:

    Bruno was not condemned for his defence of the Copernican system of astronomy, nor for his doctrine of the plurality of inhabited worlds, but for his theological errors, among which were the following: that Christ was not God but merely an unusually skilful magician, that the Holy Ghost is the soul of the world, that the Devil will be saved, etc. . . .

    . . . his system of thought is an incoherent materialistic pantheism. God and the world are one; matter and spirit, body and soul, are two phases of the same substance; the universe is infinite; beyond the visible world there is an infinity of other worlds, each of which is inhabited; this terrestrial globe has a soul; in fact, each and every part of it, mineral as well as plant and animal, is animated; all matter is made up of the same elements (no distinction between terrestrial and celestial matter); all souls are akin (transmigration is, therefore, not impossible).


To find scientists who were executed (unlike Galileo, who endured a "house arrest" in velvety palaces) simply because of scientific speculation, one has to look elsewhere: to the "reasoned" and "enlightened" anti-Catholic French Revolutionaries of the late 18th century, who did away with, e.g., Antoine Lavoisier (1743-1794): the "father of modern chemistry", as well as chemist and metallurgist Philippe-Frédéric de Dietrich (guillotined on 19 November 1793), astronomer and mathematician Jean Baptiste Gaspard Bochart de Saron (guillotined on 20 April 1794), and botanist and statesman Chrétien de Lamoignon de Malesherbes (guillotined on 23 April 1794). The famous French philosopher and mathematician Nicolas de Condorcet died in an "Enlightenment" prison under mysterious circumstances, on 28 March 1794.

For an explosion of the ludicrous myth that the Catholic Church was historically and is presently opposed to scientific advance, see my ten-part, copiously-documented study, Christianity's Central Role in the Conception and Development of Modern Science: Hundreds of Historical Facts Documented.

* * * * *

Alien Life Out There (Catholic.net)

Catholic Belief And Extraterrestrial Intelligent Life (Technovelgy.com)

Vatican-sponsored meeting discusses chances of extraterrestrial life (Carol Glatz; Catholic News Service)

Catholic church: Faith in God, alien life OK (Brian Bethel; Abilene Reporter-News)

Vatican Holds Conference on Extraterrestrial Life (Universe Today)

Believing in aliens not opposed to Christianity, Vatican’s top astronomer says (Catholic News Agency)

Extra-terrestrial life is possible, Vatican astronomer says (Catholic Culture.org)

Aliens need Christ’s redemption, too (The Catholic Herald)

Christ and Extraterrestrial Life (Ilia Delio, O. S. F., Theology and Science, Vol. 5, No. 3, 2007; PDF file)

Vatican astronomer: E.T. could be our 'extraterrestrial brother'
(FatherRoderick.com)

Do space aliens have souls? Inquiring minds can check Jesuit's book (Carol Glatz; Catholic News Service)

Vatican Observatory examines theological implications of finding alien life (Catholic News Agency)

Belief in aliens not necessarily against the faith, Vatican official says (Catholic News Agency)

Most religious believers don’t think discovery of alien life would threaten their faith (Catholic News Agency)

Ignorant Armies Clash By Night (Mark Shea; National Catholic Register)

Vatican: It's OK for Catholics to Believe in Aliens (Fox News.com)

E.T. Stay Home (Charles Colson; Catholic Exchange)

‘Is there other intelligent life in our universe?’ (Catholic Star Herald)

5 posted on 10/20/2010 12:38:44 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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Albert Einstein, asked shortly before his death
what he thought about the origin of UFO's, said:
"The UFO's are piloted by men who left the earth 10,000 years ago."
... I'd like to see that quote verified...
7 posted on 10/20/2010 12:49:58 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you very much for posting this. It corrects some of my own confusion on the subject. I hope it does the same for others.


8 posted on 10/20/2010 12:56:36 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
“Interestingly, a significant lapse in the record of these events through history occurred during the ages of Faith, only to resume with the Protestant revolt.”

Bull poop.

There exist paintings from the late middle ages that clearly depict flying metal discs in the sky. The “age of Faith” involved censorship and exceedingly tight control over who learned to read and write, and what information was disseminated. It was a capitol crime to create or read the Holy Bible in any language other than Latin!

The mother Church has made efforts during the past century to supersede their past failures to recognize scientific endeavors as applying to the real world, not the spiritual. Science need not be a threat to religion — no one has been burned at the stake by astronomers — but the Church has persecuted and executed scientists in the past, act the Church deeply regrets and has apologized for having done.

This whole article smacks of propaganda which is really unfortunate. I was reared as a Roman Catholic and defend the church frequently but articles such as this, well, it's just too much.

11 posted on 10/20/2010 1:24:44 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I was not aware, yet at the same time not surprised, that Thomas Aquinias had written on this subject.

Looks like I’ve got more reading to do.


12 posted on 10/20/2010 1:26:12 PM PDT by paladin1_dcs
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Sacred Scripture only speaks to us of two kinds of intellectual natures: the angelic and the human. There are no others.

That is a non sequitur.

Just because Sacred Scripture speaks to us of only two does not mean that there are only two. It only means we have been told of only two.

Here's what the R.H. Charles translation of I Enoch says about the knowledge of the Watchers...

And now as to the watchers who have sent thee [Enoch] to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, (say to them [The Watchers]): "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
If God keeps even angels (who have been in heaven) in the dark, you can imagine how little mankind knows of all that God has done and is doing.

All that said, I still agree with the author of the title post that extraterrestrials on earth are fallen angels. The circumstantial and even direct evidence (such as the thousands of eye witness accounts of abductees) points to their nature and purpose as being evil and Satanic.

15 posted on 10/20/2010 1:43:43 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; Radagast the Fool; DoctorBulldog; Celtic Cross; Grizzled Bear; ScoopAmma; ...
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40 posted on 10/20/2010 7:04:12 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Proof that aliens are among us:
45 posted on 10/20/2010 8:04:01 PM PDT by CurlyBill (1-20-13 can't get here fast enough!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The best analysis of the UFO phenomenon is here.
54 posted on 10/21/2010 5:04:27 AM PDT by John Locke
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Ping.


67 posted on 10/22/2010 11:02:36 PM PDT by Zetman
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