Actually we do.
Posted on 10/26/2010 5:17:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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...Joseph Smith warned of the consequences when we fail to use the temples available to us: “Those Saints who neglect [temple work] in behalf of their deceased relatives, do it at the peril of their own salvation.”
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A key function of temples is to perform ordinance work for our deceased ancestors. When we think of temple ordinances and the necessity to do them perfectly, without error...
“… For their salvation is necessary and essential to our salvation...they without us cannot be made perfect—neither can we without our dead be made perfect” (D&C 128:5, 15;...).
Consider the...vision of President Joseph F. Smith...:
“Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins...having rejected the prophets.
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The Lord revealed through... Joseph: “All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, … through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power … are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead” (D&C 132:7).
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...One of the great privileges we have is the wearing of the garment...
...The garment, … when properly worn, will serve as a protection against temptation and evil.
“It is expected that members will wear the garment both night and day...Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing...The garment should not be removed for activities which might reasonably be done with the garment worn beneath the clothing...
(Excerpt) Read more at new.lds.org ...
To be precise, "the reformed Egyptian" is not a language, but the term used by the Nephites for characters based on Egyptian writing. (See Mormon 9:32.)
Since we do not know exactly what this reformed Egyptian was, we cannot say whether it was used to record texts other than the Book of Mormon.
Really? You send "Dear Reader's" to Mormon 9:32??? To get the truth??? Are you kidding me? Nephites??? Who are these guy's?
That's the official answer? LDS, Inc. must be stuck here. Changing the BOM...has been easy for you all...but this little part ain't so easy is it.
Unbelievable....
Oh really? You would have to explain the ‘after all that you can do’ teaching if we go any further. I’m sure that during Paul’s time there were many gentile Christians who had strange concepts somehow mixed in with their past pagan beliefs. In fact we know this to be true because Paul qwrote his letters to try and correct many of these incorrect notions. But his teaching is very explicit in Romans 8 and to the Galatians and Corinthians and Ephesians. What James concluded in that interesting council in Jerusalem regarding what not to hang about the necks of gentile Christians is also very interesting to note. Confusion God can excuse. Contradiction He will coreect. Deceit He will not countenance. Ignoring His Grace He will condemn.
“The Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, who of course knows all languages.”
Normandy, you have made two claims here that are unsupported
by any:
... Facts
... Evidence
... Logical Arguments
You have simply made a wild claim. It remains unsupported,
and as such, simply a personal opinion.
What support do you have for such a wild claim?
Best as always to you,
ampu
That last should read ‘Ignoring His Grace He has already condemned.’
Have I cited my feelings in support of anything?
Oh really what?
To find out what the Book of Mormon says, it is not unusual or unreasonable to read the Book of Mormon itself.
Hi Ampu
A quick response:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/search?search=Moroni+10%3A3-5
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/thrwtnss
Regards,
Normandy
Yes, the ball falls. We can at least agree on that truth, however trivial it may be.
Sorry folks,
I responded to the wrong person. See #288, Ampu
The mormon has been taught to be deceitful, by “lying for the Lord” - ie. withholding the full truth under the justification that people are “not ready for meat”.
The problem your cult has - other than the fact it is a heresy - is that it does not want to be forthright and honest about what it believes.
then we do not have an honest disagreement. We have a heresy on your side.
You have provided some excellent examples of the logical fallacy called "poisoning the well." Thanks.
Normandy,
I’m so sorry, but you have mistaken mormon scriptures
for objective truth. In short, they are simply another
claim without any factual, evidential or logical support
for their claims.
Best,
ampu
Logo,
Actually, I stated facts, based on real posts on FR, videos
on YouTube of YOUR leaders teaching missionaries, and my
personal conversations with mormons, including in SLC.
All facts.
ampu
You seem to discount the possibility, Ampu, that God can communicate truth and knowledge directly to human beings.
How did Peter receive his testimony of Jesus’ divinity?
“And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matt 16, 16-17)
How did Paul know that we are children of God?
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God” (Romans 8:16)
How did any of the revelations come to any of the apostles and prophets? Directly from God.
No, your assertions are too sloppy to be called facts. Consider your "summary of mormons [sic]":
PS - Summary of mormons: They lie. They lie regulary. They distort the truth. They avoid the truth. They tell half truths.
You need to be more specific and objective. Do all Mormons lie or just some of us? How often do we lie? How often do we distort or avoid the truth? How do you know when we are lying? (Perhaps we are deluded or mistaken. Or perhaps you are.)
In short, do you have any real data confirming that Mormons tend to be less truthful than other people?
BTW, you might want to look up "hasty generalization," another logical fallacy.
Mormons lie, not tell the truth, distort the truth, tell half truths, avoid the truth- here on fr, door to door and instruct their missionaries to do exactly that. All facts. Some recorded on YouTube.
I didn’t say that every single Mormon lies every time - talk about your logical fallacies!
Actually we do.
Not yet - are you going to invoke feelings to support your positions?
You are just repeating yourself without adding anything of value to the conversation.
I didn’t say that every single Mormon lies every time - talk about your logical fallacies!
I didn't say you did — talk about your red herrings!
Look, I asked for some real data to support your accusations against Mormons. When you have some, let's talk. Until then, good night.
But, consider the LDS claim of being the ‘restored’ church. (the Proddies and RCs each claim accuracy in all things as well)
restore: to bring back to original condition.
The key word there is ‘original’.
A restored Model T Ford will look, AND function exactly like it did when it was new.
In the OT history of the Jewish kings, we see where once in a while a king tries to restore the proper administration of Law, and worship of God. As long as they had the written instructions, and the desire to follow it to the ‘t’, restoration was the result.
Jesus Christ told Peter that he had correctly identified who he (Christ) was. He told him it was a revelation from God, and not from flesh and blood. The Lord went on to make it clear that this revelation was what he would build his church on.
The ‘new testament’ did not begin until after the crucifiction (For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth”. Heb. 9:17). The Holy Ghost was not poured out until the Lord had left this earth.
The beginning of the church is found in Acts. The first (original) sermon preached to the lost, just minutes after the initial outpouring of the Holy Ghost, was delivered by Peter, who had the revelation of the Lord. So, when the lost souls asked what to do, Peter said unto them, “Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of YOU in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST for the REMISSION of SINS, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38
In Acts, there are several instances where the born again instructions are followed. The apostles all taught the same thing.
The epistles, Romans through Revelation, were written to souls that had already been born again, hence the rebirth process is only alluded to here and there.
As a former Protestant, I’m well acquainted with the (man-made) ‘trinity’ concept, and have studied the LDS version enough to see it to be man-made as well. Over 28 years ago, I believed I was saved, but it was man-made tradition: “accept the Lord as your personal savior”. The blind leaders I was led by were very sincere, but sincerely lost. The Lord commanded that “Ye must be born again”. I wasn’t taught the biblical rebirth method found in Acts 2:38.(speaking with other tongues when being filled with the Holy Ghost)
After reading some of the LDS doctrines from their own sources, I am positively convinced that the LDS church, though loaded with sincere people, is not ‘restored’ at all, but re-invented.
Thank you for your time.
I pray that the Lord guide you into ALL truth.
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