Posted on 11/11/2010 3:35:15 PM PST by wmfights
I think you’ll see new believers in the first 3½ years but the second 3 1/2 years is declared in God’s Word to be “without mixture” (wrath with no mercy) and no one is saved. Why is that? Because God clearly warns the whole world that anyone with the mark of the beast will not be saved. And anyone without the mark of the beast with be slaughtered by the beast and his minions (Rev 13:7).
And yet Matt. 24:13 says “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
There is strong Scriptural evidence that the Rapture (TM) ends the present era of ‘The Time of the Gentiles’. Subsequently the False Prophet and Anti-Christ become revealed in extremely short order.
I believe that you’ve laine out doctrine akin to that adhered to by Plymouth Bretheren; the believing membes of the ‘church of Christ’ are translated out of this universe.
How best is it that we should utilize our features, our skills, our abilities to serve the Lord?
What did Christ say about government, slavery or other injustice?
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Curious but I think the explanation is that in Matthew's genealogy you have Joseph's line, but in Luke you have Mary's. In Luke, you have the curious phrase that Jesus "as was supposed" the son of Joseph. Jesus was not really Joseph's son at all. His human blood line was only through Mary and Luke appears to be Mary's blood line.
Matt. 24:13 says “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
...in all things
This is a circular argument, adding more to Scripture than what is provided.
There will be a Rapture or being caught up in the air with the Lord.
There will be a resurrection of the the dead in Christ.
The first beast of Rev 13:7 will make war with the saints, those who are sacred or holy.
No need to write in more than what He provides.
Yup. The fact remains, tribulation and wrath are not the same thing, which was the claim of the author.
He that endures to the end are those believers who do not take the mark of the beast at the beginning of the second 3½ years, and thus remain saved but are slaughtered by the Beast (Rev 13:7 & Rev 14:15-16).
I’ve found it more helpful in my study to focus on the doctrine presented in Scripture, point by point, rather than first attempting to establish a timeline.
Once the doctrines are understood, then the timeline becomes more intuitive, more more importantly, how we are to solve problems when they are presented to us daily, is better grasped from the doctrine provided through study of His Word, through faith in Him, placing our edification under His power in us by His sanctification of our thinking.
Which claim are you referring to?
I was referring to this one from the article...
...because the Tribulation is the time of the pouring out of God's wrath...
In you answer,be sure to indicate Scripture to support it.
In post 13 (I believe it was 13 in this thread) I pointed out that the Greek word for tribulation is thlipsis, and the word for wrath is orge...hence the author's claim that because we are told we won't suffer wrath (orge) means we won't suffer tribulation (thlipsis) is false. It's a non sequitur.
As you may suspect, I had several people question my comment. My responses are in post 13 and 51. I'm having some internet connection issues at the moment (wireless connection...or not so connection, actually)...so if I'm a bit spartan in my reply I apologize.
A) Israel is not going to believe in an Anti-Christ or false messiah, that should be obvious by now, we didnt accept the man from Nazareth. B) There is no such thing as a rapture of believers, if there was it would be in the Tanakh (OT).
We're each anointed for something for which God has gifted us. We're anointed in different ways, and some of us, God has given understanding of events and the timing thereof by His grace. May we, by His grace, receive of Him from one another, that which He has for our exhortation, edification, and comfort.
**Scripture doesn’t state the word “rapture” either, or the word “trinity.”**
There are the words ‘caught up’ that mean the ‘rapture’.
There are no words that mean ‘trinity’ (if you believe that the ‘trinity’ means two separate and distinct persons, coequal, coeternal, etc.).
The phrase ‘God the Son’ isn’t in the Word either. the phrase ‘Son of God’ is mentioned regularly. There is a reason for that.
**Understanding God’s Word doesn’t come by human effort but by the Holy Spirit who wrote it. 1 Pet 1:20.**
I firmly agree.
The two World Wars were horrible, with vast loss of life. Many people living in those devastated areas, wondering if they would live to see tomorrow, may have thought, “is this the beginning of the tribulation? There were no doubt some people in Japan, familiar with the Bible, living in viewing distance of the two A-bombs, thinking, “this is the end!”
The ‘church’ may see some devastation on a similar level before the ‘rapture’ takes place. Maybe, maybe not.
“To day is the day of salvation.”
(if you believe that the ‘trinity’ means two separate and distinct persons, coequal, coeternal, etc.).
oops, ‘three’separate...
People are always asking Catholics where the word “Purgatory” is in the Bible.
OK, where is the word, “rapture” in the Bible?
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