Posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
You are sadly mistaken about that Cronos...there are many of these that are quite in depth and beyond just interesting chit-chat to say the least. I have been to some where Pastors will travel hours just to hear, question and debate in these groups...I can say they are challenging and very insightful as most participate in the discussion...There is never a time you leave without learning more of Christ and for that loving Him all the more.
That is not to say there aren’t the chit-chatty ones as you have spoken of...but really no different then the catholic ones I’ve sat in on. They read a little, or “take turns” reading and then the leader might ask a few questions..but they can be pretty boring for one who is thirsting hard after God.
Even so ..people are at different levels of learning..so each to his own in that respect. But as you know the deeper one desires to go in the things of God,,,, the ranks tend to lessen along the way.
“Few there are”.....
Here’s a challenge for you Cronos...tell me what you know of the delimas Christ faced when he was being questioned. How did he handle them when either answer or action he might have given would have proved those who questioned him right in what they were saying about Him.
Now these were the religious teachers asking them...and I will assume you know some of those occassions when they were trying hard to back Jesus up against a wall.
Your colorful reply makes no sense whatsoever.
Bible studies in every group or church I’ve ever attended are always topical. Topics are not limited to specific books of the Bible, and are in fact addressed in numerous ways in numerous books. A proper understanding of the meaning of a particular passage will be reinforced and verified, even witnessed, by other passages. If you actually observed firsthand what you describe, please name the denomination so I can avoid it, it sounds deranged.
People, other than politicians, typically do not bring Bibles to Bible study for show, they bring them to use. If there’s any element of “caste” going on, it’s the quality of the Bible in their possessions, but even that can be misleading for those seeking to judge. An old, nearly threadbare but treasured family Bible can mean far more than the finest leatherbound and gold leafed edition, depending upon just who you’re talking about. This actuallly says more to me about your perception of people who read the Bible, than about the people themselves.
And, it’s “Pastor,” by the way.
even if the Jehovah's Witnesses were right that drinking blood were intrinsically evil instead of the subject of a temporary prohibition, they would still have problems with John 6 because, in their interpretation, Jesus would be commanding us to eat his flesh symbolically and to drink his blood symbolically. He would be commanding us to act out symbolically an intrinsically evil deed as part of a sacred worship service. But this leads us to a ludicrous conclusion, so it must be that drinking Christ's blood is permissible (not to say desirable).
Check out any of their meetings, what happens is that their paster reads out random verses from the Bible. Everyone quickly shuffles from one verse to another, while the paster talks fast and shuffles again.
none of them have time to ponder or reflect and since the verses are completely random, the meaning can be twisted to anything the paster wants.
they may carry their bibles to their 'meetings' but they do not read it as much as shuffle it across. Their pasters spend more time preening and talking about themselves rather than reading the word of God.
Check out ANY of this groups pasters and you will see no long reading of even a chapter, but random, stray verses from here and there.
There is a difference between knowing and what these groups have, name rote-memorisation. You ask any of these cult-members to recite from the Bible and they can quote random excerpts but they do not recite chapters. They do not seek to understand but to rote-memorise specific texts.
1. the paster quotes verses at random, shuffling through so quickly that it is really just reading the random verse rather than understandingTo your question, you of course refer to parts such as Mark 12:13-31 (for two examples) -- these are perfect examples of what we see in Metmom's posts where the posts are trying to entrap and ensnare. However, those tactics, as you have pointed out do not work
2. Most of this is rote-memorisation of specific excerpts out of context rather than in entirety
pasters go to heaven, cutters go to Amsterdam :-P
Someone once said “I don’t think Satan would bother attacking the Catholic Church so much if it were not a real and problematic thorn in his foul paw.”
And while we were talking here, DADT was repealed by the OhBummer. It really seems as if he’s determined to destroy the US before 2012. What’s the points of repealing it? I’d have thought that DADT would have protected gay-oriented folks in the army by “DT”?
Other than perhaps Idi Amin . . .
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Ding Dong Il, and the like . . .
it’s hard to think of a MORE evil jerk in the White House, than OThuga.
He is fulfilling his globalist commission and orders as Destroyer In Chief quite well and rapidly.
The thing that perplexes me is what the heck can repealing DADT do for gays? How does it help them???
You reply by repeating your previous and in my opinion nonsensical reply, misspellings and all? Teetering on spam, Cronos.
Whose “meeting” is this that you describe? Name them, so I can avoid them.
I say that partially tongue in cheek, because in my exposure to “Protestant” worship services, which is no doubt broader than your exposure, there is no church that practices random verse speed readings. It serves no purpose.
Your behavior has certainly been very odd of late, to me at least. There was a time not so long ago, that your replies were quite well reasoned. I may have disagreed, but there was thought behind them. This appears to be just lashing out blindly.
Maybe the rough and tumble of all the raucous back and forth has affected you negatively? If so, give it a rest for a while. I’ve had to do that before. You’re too good for this sort of thing.
1. The meeting can be taken of a number of various Calvinistic or similar groups -- take Metmom's for example
2. Their past-er reads out some random verse from the Bible?
3. They do not read more than a verse or two, they do not read in context and they certainly do not read to understand but just to nod their heads with their past-er like bobble-head dolls
4. none have time to ponder or reflect and since the verses are completely random and the meaning is twisted to anything the pester wants
5. These groups such as Mets or Rn's do not "know" the Bible any better than any group of Anglicans, but they can quote lines at random pretty well.
6. Now, of course I don't condemn them for not reading, just point out the hypocrisy
It’s a game and harrassment of the social fabric and particularly of Christians as well as a glorification of extreme . . . stuff . . . against God.
I think it is also a deliberate weakening of our military.
It is a deliberate weakening and I can see no way how this helps anyone, even gays.
HaHaHa...And how many chapters can you recite???
If you knew anything about what God has to say, you'd know why we do that...
God says to study, and search the scriptures...He didn't say memorize chapters...
Any given chapter in the bible contains many different topics...And many different chapters contain parts of the same topic...
When we study salvation, we look for all of the verses in all the chapters that pertain to salvation...Same with justification...Same with sanctification...Same with worshiping Mary...Same with drinking blood...
Anyone can read the chapters...Try studying the scriptures once...
I’ve attended services at several churches that are Calvinist or leaning toward it, and still have to say in all honesty that I have never witnessed this.
It appears to me that you’re angry at your most persistent critics, who happen to be Calvinist, and are grasping at ways to discredit them.
There are aspects of Calvinism with which I disagree myself. That does not mean that I can’t admire the principled, clearcut severity of their beliefs, dispite disagreeing in some areas as I do, nor that they are so far removed from me that we cannot fellowship and worship the same God together when the occasion calls for it. They are brothers and sisters in Christ. I don’t have to agree with them in every matter, just the core of matter of salvation. Everything else really boils down to a minor doctrinal dispute.
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