Posted on 12/15/2010 5:09:09 PM PST by RnMomof7
none of them have time to ponder or reflect and since the verses are completely random, the meaning can be twisted to anything the paster wants.
Again, LOLOL...Obviously you've been fortunate enough to drop into a Protestant service once or twice...I can sympathize with you...
When a Pastor goes thru numerous scripture during a sermon, we're not following along in foreign territory...We read and know our bibles...We're very familiar with the verses...
I can see where someone like you would be completely lost...That's why we have Sunday schools...Even for adults...
Well that’s encouraging...glad you understand and do not place everyone under the same umbrella....I likewise do so with some catholics who I know genuinely love God and are trying to discover the truth of why they believe as they do.
1. The meeting can be taken of a number of various Calvinistic or similar groups -- take Metmom's for example 2. Their past-er reads out some random verse from the Bible? 3. They do not read more than a verse or two, they do not read in context and they certainly do not read to understand but just to nod their heads with their past-er like bobble-head dolls 4. none have time to ponder or reflect and since the verses are completely random and the meaning is twisted to anything the pester wants 5. These groups such as Mets or Rn's do not "know" the Bible any better than any group of Anglicans, but they can quote lines at random pretty well. 6. Now, of course I don't condemn them for not reading, just point out the hypocrisy
Yes, Cronos, this irrational outburst seems quite out of line with your more normal, lucid comments.
Not sure how you can know the hearts and minds of congregants and their bible IQ, but I urge you to use this "gift" more wisely.
I assure you my church ponders and studies scripture very thoroughly, taking six months to several years to work through a book of the bible.
Maybe, your lashing out against the name it and claim teachers. Please don't take them as an example of true born again believers as you would also not consider Tetzel and example of True Romanism.
We should not be surprised that cults are flourishing now and surely will escalate just as Jesus said we would see as the time draws near. As you know God will also let loose a deception which those who have rejected Christ will absolutely believe. I think we are seeing a world ripe for this and why so many are easily misled into the cults.
The Gospel has been clearly given across our own nation..and what we see now happening to our country is the result of those who have rejected Him yet "have an appearance of Godliness", who serve now in high places in our schools, government, churches, and places of power. Because people no longer search the scriptures for the truth they can be and are easily fooled to follow these leaders and their twisted arguments.... which have then led to the moral clarity of our nation to be almost non existent. In fact those who practice and support the vile things we see today "teach and approve of others who do so".
The church on a whole, and by that I mean the body of believers.. no matter where they worship Christ...has been under attack for ages...but in today's world the church is massively 'invaded' and thus there is little meat given...it's more lights, camera, action as a stage show with all the actors in place leading the masses.
I do think we are seeing the true church begin to go underground...it has to... as more and more Christianity is shoved out of it's rightful place in our country and in our churches. Thus I do think it will take the form of small groups meeting ...in and over time. The church "universal" will be only an institute uniting those with the most monies and have political clout. All people should be watching how involved their church is in joining with this push for a one world religion.
It doesn’t help them for that is not the purpose of the homosexual agenda. This movement is in my mind an “Army” raised up by the enemy of mens souls. Their minds and hearts are so far from God he can use them in bringing about the destruction not only of this countries moral fabric...but impact the minds of the generations as they come thru the ranks.
Keep in mind our leaders are the ones authorizing that this even came to the table...and the majority of the “people” voted them in to do so. As long as “the people” vote as they are doing we can expect this homosexual, and every other perferted sexual agenda...to move rapidly. There is an evil power behind it.
Does the paster provide glue for the people as well, so they can all paste together?
If you’re going to mock others for ignorance, you might want to clean house first.....
There are several Catholics lately who have fallen into that category. It has led to some interesting speculation as toe the reason for it.
Random? I've never seen any Protestant pluck some verse "at random."
The problem is more likely that those who think these verses are "random" simply don't understand the Scriptures nor see the point of it in context.
If you ever find a "random" verse generated on any of these threads, Cronos, why not ask us for the reason it was posted?
That's how we learn.
Roman Catholics tell themselves all sorts of rationalizations for their actions and beliefs that are clearly prohibited in Scripture.
Mary is not “the Mother of God,” the “Queen of the Universe,” the “Dispensatrix of all Grace,” a “Mediator,” a “Reconcilor,” an “Advocate,” nor is she “the Mother of all Humanity.”
Every one of those titles demeans the Triune God because it takes His glory and gives it to a creature who was fallen like the rest of us, and saved by grace like some of us.
metmom wrote in post 658:
“The disciples didn’t drink blood at the Passover meal. Jesus didn’t drink His own blood at the Passover meal. We don’t drink blood at communion. The only groups that drink blood are satanists during their satanic rituals. Drinking blood is so closely tied with paganism and satanism that it’s inconceivable that any church would claim to participate in it. Until heaven and earth pass away, not the least letter of the Law will pass away. Eating (drinking) blood violated the Law in the OT and was commanded to not be done in the NT by those considered church fathers. The prohibition on eating blood was not only not rescinded, it was one of the few OT laws specifically reiterated, even when something like circumcision wasn’t. There is no excuse for claiming that eating blood is now OK.”
I have thought a great deal about this thing copied above - I really don’t know what to call it, words fail me - since I first read it on Friday of last week. Then having seen also the various replies pro and con, I was trying to think of a way to reply that would actually be helpful to all, not outside the guidelines of Free Republic, and above all not dishonoring of God. And then, today, I realized that God the Holy Spirit had already done it for me:
“A soft answer turns away wrath,
But a harsh word stirs up anger.
The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly,
But the mouth of fools pours forth foolishness.
The eyes of the LORD are in every place,
Keeping watch on the evil and the good.
A wholesome tongue is a tree of life,
But perverseness in it breaks the spirit.
A fool despises his father’s instruction,
But he who receives correction is prudent.
In the house of the righteous there is much treasure,
But in the revenue of the wicked is trouble.
The lips of the wise disperse knowledge,
But the heart of the fool does not do so.”
(Proverbs 15:1-7)
I leave it to the readers to decide which is which.
AGREED.
Oh, it might help some homosexuals who want to intimidate, tweak, pressure, seduce etc.
I don’t think it helps their perverse ‘cause’ much at all.
Fostering more disgust on the part of more people doesn’t sound attractive, to me.
Very well and aptly put, imho.
Thx.
Catholics have repeated told us that one must eat and drink the actual, literal body and blood of Christ in order to be saved. They quote verses from John 6 as a proof text.
THEY are the ones who claim that.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm
1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: “Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation.”206
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Without the shedding of blood, there can be no forgiveness of sin. However, for all the sacrifices that the Jews were instructed to make, they were expressly forbidden from eating or drinking the blood. It was simply to be shed. Period. That prohibition was reiterated at the Council of Jerusalem in the book of Acts.
If the Catholic church insists on teaching that communicants are to eat and drink and ARE eating and drinking literal flesh and blood, they are violating the clear commands and directives of God in and throughout Scripture.
Drinking blood has always been associated with paganism. It’s simply an historical fact and we can’t get away from it.
I won’t prolong this.
There is a difference between anti-Catholicism and Christianity, just as there is a difference between anti-Protestantism and Christianity. The line between either of the two is not always easy to find; and it is regularly transgressed from both sides with the result of doing so being anger, misunderstanding, misuse of God’s Word, closing of mind and heart, communication that grieves the heart of Him who so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, and scandal that engenders scorn in the hearts of unbelieving, but often sincerely inquiring, observers.
Wrath always destroys. That is why it must be used sparingly, with great care, and with a laser-like focus. Sometimes, yes, it is necessary. But it never builds up.
So says Pope presently no screen name who has decided once for all what the Bible means and anyone who disagrees must be led by demons.
It is merely your opinion, you have decided for yourself that the Church is wrong. You were led to the Bible by someone and someone has taught you the meaning of what you have read. It’s a fact, not one of us is an island when it comes to faith. You have learned your creed somewhere and regardless of your Capitalizing every other word, it remains your opinion. I don’t hold that against you and I would never accuse you of following demons for rejecting the tenets of my faith. But, that is what you have done with me. It is unconscionable and unChristian to say the least.
So, unless God himself comes down and tells me that presently no screen name is the final and highest authority, I will continue to grasp onto the faith I have found in my own heart to be the true faith .
It is common for those of your ilk to say that I and other Catholics are spoonfed what to believe and what to say in defense of our faith and so that holds no weight with me as your remarks are as predictable as the day is long. It must be too galling to admit that I, like many here on FR, actually read and think about what we believe and why. I am a revert. I left the church(as in all religion) for 20 years and found myself wanting Christ in my life. I prayed, I read, I studied and I attended different services and I found that my heart and mind and soul is with the church, Christ’s church, the Catholic Church. I did not come to that lightly and again, if you believe that the Holy Spirit would allow an honest seeker of Him to be led by demons, then you are calling Jesus a liar.
Yes, I use the word hate and it is hate that would cause someone to say that another Christian is demonic for their beliefs just because you happen to disagree with them.
Yesterday as I and the others in my Catholic Daughters group loaded gifts for AIDS sufferers and their families, gifts donated by a parish of people who themselves could use help, I was moved to tears. God is good and because of that, His people are good. Their love bears the fruits of faith, and Jesus said, “By their fruits, you will know them.”
So rail on good sir/madam, your words are as feathers pelting a bull to me. I shall live my faith joyfully and with confidence in Jesus’ promises. I don’t have time to waste worrying about what little ole presently no screen name has to say.
That is, of course, until God tells me otherwise:)
presently no screen name wrote:
“Jesus’ glorified body has no blood.”
And your scriptural proof for this statement is?
yes, Mad Dawg, I have the answer.
It is getting to where I won’t respond to most on these forums. I have made my last response to PNSN since to be assailed in such a way is not in my best interests.
The list of those with whom I can respond to is growing shorter. Maybe I will do as some have done and only post in the restricted threads.
A protestant knows the Bible like the postman knows the address of the people to whom he delivers mail, and a Catholic knows the Bible like one knows his neighbors, as friends and family. I take nothing they say to heart regarding the Bible, as one can read it from sun up to sundown and have no clue what it says. That is evident on these forums daily.
But "here have we no continuing city," and I guess that means that the oil which flows from beard to collar is not yet ours to enjoy.
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