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To: RnMomof7; diamond6
Some things can’t be proven. It’s just common sense.

The doctrines of men and not God

Hardly.

The angel saluted Mary by calling her kecharitomene, which Jerome quite accurately translated as gratia plena, "full of grace". (kecharitomene is the perfect passive participle of charitoo, "to grace".)Kecharitomene means "already completely graced as an accomplished fact".

What kind of sinner is "full of grace"?

Moreover, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law perfectly. But at the same time, He alone among all men actually created his own mother. How can creating someone in sin be honoring them? Doesn't sin dishonor everything it touches?

You really can't have a sinful Mary and a divine Jesus and a Jesus who kept the Law of Moses perfectly. Pick any two.

210 posted on 12/16/2010 6:11:05 AM PST by Campion
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The angel saluted Mary by calling her kecharitomene, which Jerome quite accurately translated as gratia plena, "full of grace". (kecharitomene is the perfect passive participle of charitoo, "to grace".)Kecharitomene means "already completely graced as an accomplished fact".

What kind of sinner is "full of grace"?

Acts 6:8 And Stephen, full of grace and power, was performing great wonders and signs among the people.

Wow, who else knew Stephen was also sinless from birth?

Actualy, Stephen was full of Grace AND Power. Mary was only full of Grace.

231 posted on 12/16/2010 8:10:24 AM PST by bkaycee
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The angel saluted Mary by calling her kecharitomene, which Jerome quite accurately translated as gratia plena, "full of grace". (kecharitomene is the perfect passive participle of charitoo, "to grace".)Kecharitomene means "already completely graced as an accomplished fact".

Original Word: χαριτόω
Transliteration: charitoó
Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ee-to'-o)
Short Definition: favor highly

rd Origin from charis
Definition
to make graceful, endow with grace NASB Word Usage
favored (1), freely bestowed (1).

Luke 1:28 καὶ εἰσελθὼν πρὸς αὐτὴν εἶπεν· χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη, ὁ κύριος μετὰ σοῦ. Having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, you highly favored one! The Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women!"
Verb: Perfect Passive Participle Vocative Singular Feminine

Literal greek translation

Young's Literal Translation And the messenger having come in unto her, said, 'Hail, favoured one, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women;'

Jhn 1:14 ¶ And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

plērēs=full
charis= grace

John 1:14 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear) Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας.

And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory the glory as of the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth

Acts 6:8 refers to Stephen as plErEs charitos, so it's literally "full of grace" and just the same as the description used of Jesus in John 1:14...It is Stephen that has the same words used of him as Jesus ..not Mary

Moreover, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law perfectly.

Jesus is the ONLY ONE that could or ever would keep the law perfectly ...in order to be SINLESS one would need to keep the law PERFECTLY ..obviously Mary did not ...so she could not be "sinless"

But at the same time, He alone among all men actually created his own mother

Just as He has created all His brothers and sisters.. and all of them that will burn in hell..

How can creating someone in sin be honoring them? Doesn't sin dishonor everything it touches?

That is what the Pharisees thought , that is why the rebuked Jesus for eating and drinking with the drunkards and tax collectors and prostitutes

Jesus came for sinners not the righteous.. if Mary was perfect and sinless He did not come for her

You really can't have a sinful Mary and a divine Jesus and a Jesus who kept the Law of Moses perfectly. Pick any two.

HUH?, where do we find that in scripture?Or is that your own personal interpretation of the bible ??

267 posted on 12/16/2010 10:21:19 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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