[RnMomof7]

Mary is NOT a sinner. As if the Holy of Holies would allow himself to be borne of a sinner. Look how the ark of the covenant was treated. It was very well respected. Mary is the living ark who bore the God-Man. She deserves respect. If she’s good enough for Jesus, she’s good enough for me.

The ark is a type of CHRIST placed in the Holy of Holies.. to believe and teach otherwise is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ... Attributing to another the work of God ...many believe that is the unforgivable sin ..

Jesus came to earth to eat and drink with sinners.. He came to get His feet dirty ... He washed the feet of others.. Do you not think that God could stay sinless and pure amidst sin? How foolish

[diamond6]

“How foolish”.

I have lost the desire to converse with you further due to your rudeness.

Merry Christmas.

[RobbyS]

What are you so adverse to accepting that if the Incarnation came about the way described in Matthew, Luke, and in a different way, John, that Mary's role was significantly different from that of Elizabeth or Sarah, that the Promise was quite different. Great as he was, John was just a prophet, who spoke the words that God put into his mouth. Jesus was/is the very Word of God. The Word made flesh. Mary is Theotokos. Nothing can gainsay that, except you deny the very idea of the Incarnation, as so many modern Christians do.

[Cronos]

The ark is a type of CHRIST placed in the Holy of Holies

Let's see --
the Ark of the Old Covenant

• a container for the Word written down by Moses.
• Not God, just a container, something created
• Not God, just a container, filled with the grace of God
• Not a sacrifice, not a teacher, not a preacher

Christ

• God and man
• 100% God and 100% man, not a container, not a phantom, not just a spirit, but God in flesh
• The Word incarnate, not a container for the Word
• Begotten not made, not created -- not a creature
• Preacher, teacher, Lord, God, not a container, not a created being

To say that the ark was Christ in any way is to deny the Divinity-Humanity nature of Christ.

Do you, Rn:

• Think that Jesus Christ was just a container for God, not actually God in flesh?
• Think that Jesus Christ was created by God, just a creature, not God?
• Think that Jesus Christ is akin to the ark, a created thing, not God?

Please do tell us if you believe the following:

We Believe in One Lord Jesus Christ
The Only Son of God
Eternally Begotten of the Father
God from God, Light from Light
True God from True God
Begotten, Not Made
One in Being (homoousia) with the Father
Through Him All Things Were Made

[Cronos]

Explaining and expanding on my question to you, Rn:

• Think that Jesus Christ was just a container for God, not actually God in flesh?
• Think that Jesus Christ was created by God, just a creature, not God?
• Think that Jesus Christ is akin to the ark, a created thing, not God?

Please do tell us if you believe the following:

We Believe in One Lord Jesus Christ
The Only Son of God
Eternally Begotten of the Father
God from God, Light from Light
True God from True God
Begotten, Not Made
One in Being (homoousia) with the Father
Through Him All Things Were Made

Expanding on this:

1. Jesus Christ is the Lord of all. The title Lord means that Jesus is master of all, and has connotations of deity, since the Hebrew word adonai and Greek word kyrios (both meaning Lord) were applied to Yahweh in the Old Testament.
2. Jesus is in a unique relationship with God the Father. While Hebrew kings were sons of God symbolically (see Psalm 2), Jesus is the only Son of God by nature.
   the Son shares the essential nature of God with the Father. Since God is eternal, the Son, being begotten of God, is also eternal. The Son is often called the Only-Begotten God in early Christian literature, including in John 1:18 in many manuscripts.
3. God the Son exists in relation to God the Father. The Son is not the Father, but they both are God. Just as a torch is lit one to another, the Father and Son are distinct, but both light
4. God the Son is not a half-god or inferior to God the Father. God the Son is fully and utterly God, distinct from the Father, yet not divided from the Father.
   Some groups today (Jehovah's Witnesses) and in the past (Arians) have suggested that God created Jesus like God would an angel. THIS IS WRONG
   God the Father and God the Son are equally divine, united in substance and will. Father and Son share the same substance or essence of divinity. That is, the Father and Son both share the qualities and essential nature that make one in reality God.
   
   This is what we Christians believe.
   
   Jesus was not a creature, was not created like the ark, Jesus was not a container for God. To suggest this is utterly wrong and in fact blasphemous.

[Campion]

The ark is a type of CHRIST placed in the Holy of Holies

Scriptures?

The last verse of Rev 11 leading into chapter 12 demonstrates otherwise. Also, please note that the top of the Ark was called the "mercy seat". Sounds to me like it's not God, and not a type of God, but the place where God's presence rests.