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[ECUMENICAL] For My Non-Catholic Readers
Crossed The Tiber ^
| 12/29/2010
| Russ Rentler
Posted on 12/29/2010 11:41:03 AM PST by markomalley
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To: vladimir998; presently no screen name
Some of Jesus’ biggest conflicts with the Pharisees was over tradition. He had nothing good to say about it.
He contradicted their tradition with Scripture, as should be.
Matthew 15:3
He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
Matthew 15:6
he need not honor his father.’ So for the sake of your tradition you have made void the word of God.
Mark 7
1 Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, 2they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. 3(For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” 6And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“’This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”
9And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! 10For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 11But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)— 12then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, 13thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
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posted on
12/29/2010 9:43:10 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: sayuncledave; presently no screen name
Exactly. That’s why we serve the Lord. Get over your prejudice long enough to recognize that while you believe (and I stress that word for your sake) one thing, 1.x billion Catholics believe another. And that which they believe is Jesus Christ. NOT YOU!Consensus does not make truth.
Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't mean it's right.
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posted on
12/29/2010 9:45:44 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: metmom
Excellent post. Sadly I get caught up in the posts and do not post scripture. This is really the heart of it.
God Bless
To: metmom
"He obviously had nothing valid to say or wouldn’t have started with a loaded *Have you stopped beating your wife yet?* kind of question right out of the gate. There was no point in reading any further. Seen it before and knew what to expect." If you choose not to read the article then why participate on an ecumenical thread if not to antagonize and debate?
To: markomalley
I think you left out the feeling that most Protestants have about priests.
I disagree with a lot of the teaching of the Catholic church. However, to be honest, I just could never get past my negative feelings that I have about the priests.
I feel most priests are people that hide in the church to battle their own demons. They are trusted to give marriage and family counseling, but never could understand the joy and/or challenges of having a family.
Many years ago my fathers friend bought an old seminary. (I think that's what it was called) I was given an after school job to help clean up during the renovations. I won't even tell you the sick things we found hiding in the walls, attic, basement, and floorboards. It will stay with me forever.
However, I will tell you that I must of pulled out hundreds of empty liquor bottles that were found in every nook and cranny in that huge old building. I wouldn't even want to be in the same room with these men, and I sure would never look to them for spiritual advise.
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posted on
12/29/2010 9:54:02 PM PST
by
kara37
To: sayuncledave
That’s why we serve the Lord.
If Catholics served The Lord - there would be no need for the catechism, church doctrine/teachings. Catholics serve their church.
Get over your prejudice long enough to recognize that while you believe (and I stress that word for your sake) one thing, 1.x billion Catholics believe another. And that which they believe is Jesus Christ. NOT YOU!
WOW! How antagonist is that! Anti-Word Catholics sure speak with fork tongue.
GOD'S WORD REIGNS and the traditions of men nullify God's Word. Thank YOU, JESUS, The LIVING WORD.
Heb 4:12 "For the Word of God is LIVING and ACTIVE. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart".
To: kara37
"I feel most priests are people that hide in the church to battle their own demons." It is obvious you have never known any of these men. The ones I have known have been among the most decent and selfless men I have ever met.
To: Vegasrugrat
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posted on
12/29/2010 9:57:20 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: kara37
**I feel most priests are people that hide in the church to battle their own demons. They are trusted to give marriage and family counseling, but never could understand the joy and/or challenges of having a family.**
This is an ecumenical thread — no antagonism. Priests are members of families, they know about family life because they grew up in one. Do you have any idea, how many classes they take in philosophy, psychology, theology? They know the Bible, they know what Christ taught about families. They know how to counsel families.
Do you have some personal proof that priests do not have this attribute? Please explain.
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:01:55 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: kara37
Another thing that you are not grasping is that priests receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders. The Holy Spirit — as Paul says — gives the words because of the Sacrament. Something to ponder on before you speak out against priests again, huh?
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:03:15 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: presently no screen name
Of course Jesus is the Word made flesh. But Sacred Tradition is scriptural:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
2 Timothy 2:2
1 Corinthians 11:2
1 Thessalonians 2:13
Acts 2:2
As I said before, you don’t have to agree with me about points of preference. That’s your prerogative. Do be so good as to understand that you are not the only here who can read or speak. Even more, humility counts. And acting as Our Lord wants us to be. We strive for Holiness, not for cheap shots. I have no problems with us disagreeing. This thread was posted under Ecumenical. The author of the original piece is a former Evangelical, who wrote an interesting response to a number of emails/comments he’d receieved. It was posted here. If you didn’t like the article, that’s fine. I sometimes feel the same way about something I’ve found here. But we keep coming back because this is the best forum of this kind around, period. So let’s keep it civil.
To: presently no screen name
And Hebrews 3: 12 - 14
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
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which means what, that you don’t have to stay on the path til the end as long as you made a single decision one day? How are you going to depart if that’s the case?
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:09:37 PM PST
by
Rashputin
(Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
To: metmom; Salvation
It has been said, and I believe true, that this generation has lost it's backbone and can no longer handle constructive impute..let alone handle criticism.... Whimps says it well... They have bought into the ‘new age universal thinking’ of “let's be nice to everybody and just get along”. It is a dangerous way to think... and if people aren't willing to learn how to stand up for their beliefs and fight for those... than they will fall greatly when things get really rough in the days which God said will come.
Jesus did not say excuse me please...or don't be offended when He turned the money changers tables over...He shouted and carried a whip! Yelling...”You will not make my Fathers house a house of thieves”. Some choose to let things pass...others whine and bellyache......Jesus said to "stand".
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:13:26 PM PST
by
caww
To: sayuncledave
Wonderful post.
More proof about Holy Tradition and the Bible not containing everything in the last chapter of John and in (I believe) the second letter of John.
In both cases St. John states that there is too much to be written down, and thus will be passed on orally.
Many people think that tradition means the way Catholics act or rituals or the Old Testament laws and rituals.....that’s not it. It’s that God’s message is passed on from one person to another — in the times of the Gospel writers as well as today 00 one person to another through oral communication.
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:14:50 PM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
I couldn't ponder that because I'm not Catholic.
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:18:23 PM PST
by
kara37
To: Rashputin
which means what, that you don’t have to stay on the path til the end as long as you made a single decision one day?
"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he CANNOT UNDERSTAND them, because they are spiritually discerned."
To: sayuncledave
GOD’S WORD REIGNS - JESUS IS THE WORD!
It’s ALL ABOUT JESUS!
To: presently no screen name
Which is why you don’t have an answer? Because you cannot understand? Thanks for admitting that.
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posted on
12/29/2010 10:28:05 PM PST
by
Rashputin
(Barry is totally insane and being kept medicated and on golf courses to hide the fact)
To: Rashputin
Which is why you don’t have an answer? Because you cannot understand?
You asked the question and one clearly showing a lack of knowledge of God's Word.
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